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2023-03-01 JOINT LEGISLATIVE HEARING In the Matter of the 2023-2024 EXECUTIVE BUDGET ON WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT Chair: Sen. Krueger View full transcript → Archive

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NEW YORK STATE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE — The state Department of Labor defended its pandemic response and outlined workforce modernization efforts during a joint legislative budget hearing on March 1, as lawmakers pressed officials on minimum wage indexing, unemployment insurance fraud, and worker protections. Commissioner Roberta Reardon told the Senate Finance and Assembly Ways and Means committees that the department distributed over $105 billion in unemployment benefits to nearly 5 million New Yorkers during the pandemic, while identifying $4 billion in fraud—representing 3.8 percent of total benefits paid. She said the state has clawed back $500 million in stolen funds and implemented safeguards including multifactor authentication and ID.me verification to prevent future fraud. Sen. Jessica Ramos, chair of the Senate Labor Committee, challenged the Governor's minimum wage indexing proposal as insufficient, noting that by 2026, Washington D.C., Denver, San Francisco, and Seattle will have minimum wages ranging from $19 to $21 per hour, while New York will reach only $16. She also questioned why home care workers remain excluded from certain wage protections and pressed Reardon on enforcement gaps, particularly regarding wage theft in nail salons and car washes. Reardon reported that in 2022 alone, wage theft investigations recovered $25 million for nearly 18,000 workers, with $360 million recovered over the past decade. She said the department has hired over 1,100 new employees in the past year and is expanding enforcement efforts, though she acknowledged the department operates on a tip-driven model rather than conducting routine workplace sweeps. Commissioner Timothy Hogues of the Department of Civil Service outlined modernization efforts, including transitioning civil service exams to online format—testing nearly 30,000 candidates for 200 job types in 2022—and implementing the Hiring for Emergency Limited Placement (HELP) program to waive exam requirements for approximately 100 critical health and safety positions for 12 months. Director Michael Volforte of the Office of Employee Relations reported that the state has extended a $3,000 healthcare worker bonus to over 39,000 state employees and recently implemented 12 weeks of paid parental leave at full pay for unrepresented state employees. He noted the office will negotiate new collective bargaining agreements with nine unions this year. Assemblywoman Latoya Joyner, chair of the Assembly Labor Committee, questioned whether the department is prepared to implement partial unemployment insurance benefits and pressed for assurances that expanded DOL staffing will translate to increased enforcement oversight. Reardon said partial UI is currently available but not automated, and will be fully integrated into the new system once the department completes its four-year modernization plan of its aging COBOL system. NEW YORK STATE OFFICIALS DETAIL PANDEMIC FRAUD RECOVERY AND WORKFORCE MODERNIZATION EFFORTS State Department of Labor Commissioner Reardon reported dramatic success in combating unemployment insurance fraud, telling a joint legislative hearing on March 1 that the state reduced fraud losses from over $300 million monthly during the pandemic's first year to just $388,000 in 2022—a 99.9 percent reduction achieved through implementation of ID.me verification and multifactor authentication systems. Reardon testified that the state has referred over one million fraudulent claims to federal authorities and recovered approximately $500 million in stolen benefits. She attributed the initial fraud surge to federal CARES Act provisions that required only a checkbox to prove pandemic-related unemployment, eliminating traditional wage verification methods that normally prevent fraud. "The first year of PUA, all you had to do essentially was check a box that said 'I was unemployed by the pandemic,' and you were eligible," Reardon explained. She acknowledged that money stolen by international cyber-rings will likely never be recovered, but pledged aggressive pursuit of domestic fraudsters with no statute of limitations. Department of Civil Service Commissioner Hogues outlined sweeping modernization proposals to address critical workforce shortages, including 12 Centers for Careers in Government across the state, continuous recruitment with online exams, and a comprehensive pay structure study to compete with the private sector. The Executive Budget proposes nearly 23,000 new hires to address a 12,500-worker shortage, with 26 percent of the current workforce eligible for retirement within five years. Sen. Jackson, chair of the Civil Service and Pensions Committee, pressed officials on the extent of service contracting, noting that over 9,000 full-time-equivalent positions are currently contracted to private firms. He also questioned the pace of labor negotiations, with one union currently operating under an expired contract. Sen. Martins raised concerns about prevailing wage enforcement in construction trades, stating he has heard for years that compliance verification is inadequate. Commissioner Reardon acknowledged she had not received formal complaints from the building trades and invited them to contact her directly. The hearing also addressed unemployment insurance debt repayment to the federal government. Reardon noted that New York is one of eight states that signed a letter to Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen requesting federal forgiveness of pandemic-era loans, so far without success. She indicated the state has already provided some relief through suspended experience rating, giving each business approximately $836 per employee over three years. Commissioner Hogues emphasized that civil service modernization proposals must be implemented comprehensively to be effective, stating: "Individually, the pieces won't work, but when we look at them comprehensively, that's when we really start moving forward." NEW YORK STATE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE EXAMINES WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BUDGET AMID UI DEBT DISPUTE Albany — State labor officials faced pointed questioning from lawmakers on March 1 over the administration's handling of pandemic-era unemployment insurance debt and controversial decisions to exclude home care workers from wage increases, during a joint legislative hearing on the 2023-2024 executive budget. Commissioner Reardon of the Department of Labor disputed the state Comptroller's estimate of pandemic UI fraud losses, claiming the actual figure was $4 billion rather than $11 billion. The state owes approximately $8 billion to the federal government and plans to collect roughly $6 billion from businesses over five years to rebuild the depleted UI trust fund. Several senators challenged the administration's decision to exclude home care workers from across-the-board minimum wage increases, despite the state having provided a $3 wage bump in 2021 specifically to stabilize the industry and attract workers. Sen. Krueger pointed out that the state still faces a severe home care worker shortage, with hospitals unable to discharge patients due to lack of available workers, and questioned the logic of removing wages that helped attract workers to the field. "If the wages have helped and we still have a crisis, taking away the wages seems to be counterintuitive," Krueger said. Commissioner Reardon cited a 33 percent increase in home healthcare workers since 2017 but acknowledged the crisis persists due to an aging population requiring more care. Sen. Rhoads argued the state should bear greater responsibility for UI repayment since the government, not employers, shut down businesses during the pandemic. He questioned whether federal regulations prohibit using the state's projected surplus to offset employer contributions. Sen. Ramos raised concerns about a 68 percent increase in child labor law violations in 2022, asking why there have been no criminal convictions. Commissioner Reardon acknowledged the problem and said violations are referred to district attorneys but declined to provide specifics on prosecutions. Commissioner Hogues of the Governor's Office of Employee Relations testified on civil service modernization efforts, noting the state's pay structure dates back to the 1950s. He highlighted a shift from traditional bubble-fill civil service exams to training-and-experience evaluations, saying preliminary data shows improved performance from test-takers using the new format. The hearing also addressed workforce development metrics, with Assemblyman Jacobson calling for mandatory annual reporting from all entities receiving state workforce development funds to track outcomes including job placement rates, wages, and long-term employment retention. NEW YORK STATE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE HEARS TESTIMONY ON WORKFORCE CRISIS, PENSION REFORM Albany — State lawmakers heard urgent testimony Wednesday about a deepening workforce crisis in New York government, with union leaders warning of a 12,500-worker deficit and 26 percent of the state workforce ready to retire, while advocates pressed for pension reform and pay equity. The joint legislative hearing on the 2023-2024 executive budget workforce development proposals revealed a state struggling to recruit and retain employees after a decade of hiring freezes and austerity budgets. Randi DiAntonio, vice president of the Public Employees Federation representing 50,000 state workers, testified that the state has clocked 20 million hours in overtime and faces a retention crisis driven by inadequate Tier 6 pensions, pay inequity with the private sector, and poor working conditions. "We have a problem on the front end with recruitment, we have a problem on the back end with retention," DiAntonio said. Joshua Terry of CSEA Local 1000 AFSCME noted that New York State has lost 13,000 employees net over the past decade, while local governments have lost 7 percent of their workforce. He urged lawmakers to waive the $40 civil service exam fee and conduct continuous recruitment with direct community outreach to reach people of color. Assemblywoman Stefani Zinerman raised persistent racial disparities in unemployment, noting that Black unemployment has been roughly twice the rate of white workers since the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics began tracking data in 1972. She pressed state officials on equity initiatives and career pathway programs. On pensions, Ed Farrell of the Retired Public Employees Association testified that 24 percent of retirees have pensions under $10,000 and nearly half have pensions under $20,000. He proposed a "catch-up" provision to address the inadequacy of the current cost-of-living adjustment, which he called "half a COLA" capped at 3 percent. Barabara Zaron, representing Management Confidential employees who cannot unionize, sought a 3 percent salary increase, $3,000 retention bonus, and a $70-per-month rebate for employees whose salaries were withheld between 2009 and 2015. Chairwoman Weinstein pressed Commissioner Reardon on the inadequacy of labor force data, noting that regional demographic data is only available on a five-year estimate basis, with the latest figures from 2017-2021. She requested more granular, frequent reporting to inform policy decisions. Commissioner Reardon said the Department of Labor aims to complete its system modernization by year-end 2023 but emphasized that "this system will not go live until it is completely tested," citing failures in other states. Senator Robert Jackson expressed strong opposition to Tier 6 pensions, stating bluntly: "Tier 6 sucks." DiAntonio agreed, saying Tier 6 members "pay more to get less" and see no incentive to remain in state service as a career. NEW YORK STATE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE HEARS WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BUDGET TESTIMONY — State employee unions, retirees, and labor advocates testified before the joint Senate-Assembly Finance Committee on March 1 regarding the 2023-2024 executive budget's workforce provisions, with testimony revealing deep structural problems in state employment, unemployment insurance, and wage enforcement. The hearing highlighted a crisis in state workforce recruitment and retention. Representatives from CSEA and PEF testified that staffing shortages are creating dangerous working conditions, with some employees working 50-70 consecutive hours in group homes because relief staff fail to appear. Josh Terry of CSEA called for lowering Tier 6 pension contributions to 3 percent, arguing that the current tier structure—where employees "pay more, get less, and work longer"—is driving away recruits at a time when agencies are critically understaffed. Randi DiAntonio of PEF identified multiple barriers to hiring: the Department of Civil Service lacks sufficient staff to process civil service exams, creating a bottleneck that causes job candidates to accept positions elsewhere. She also noted that contracting out has created a two-tier system where contracted workers earn more than state employees performing identical work. On unemployment insurance, James Parrott of the Center for New York City Affairs presented data showing New York's system is "severely flawed," burdened by an $8 billion federal debt. He attributed the problem to the state's unusually low taxable wage base of $12,300—lower than 35 other states despite New York having the highest average weekly wage nationally. This creates a regressive tax structure where small employers pay 3-4 times the effective tax rates of large corporations. Parrott recommended raising the taxable wage base to $50,000-$60,000, which could pay off the debt in 2-3 years while lowering taxes on small businesses. On minimum wage, Paul Sonn of the National Employment Law Project opposed the Governor's proposal as inadequate, noting it would result in a minimum wage of only $16+ by 2027—$4-5 less than comparable high-cost cities. He urged passage of the Raise the Wage Act, which would increase the minimum to $21.25 by 2026 with automatic annual indexing. Sonn cited five separate studies showing New York's $15 minimum wage produced no job losses. Hugh Baran of the Kakalec Law firm testified that the EmPIRE Worker Protection Act (A1893/S541) would generate approximately $30 million annually for the Department of Labor's wage theft enforcement, addressing a crisis where employers steal an estimated $3 billion yearly from workers. He noted DOL has fewer than half the investigators it had in the 1960s. Senators Martins and Ramos signaled openness to addressing Tier 6 reform and supporting minimum wage increases backed by research, while expressing concern about recruitment bottlenecks in civil service hiring. NEW YORK STATE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE HEARS COMPETING WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS Albany — The New York State Senate Finance Committee heard testimony Wednesday on competing workforce development proposals in the 2023-2024 executive budget, with advocates and policy experts sharply criticizing Governor Hochul's minimum wage and unemployment insurance proposals as insufficient. The hearing, which concluded the Legislature's three-week budget hearing cycle, featured testimony on four major initiatives: the Governor's minimum wage indexing plan, the Raise the Wage Act, the Unemployment Bridge Program for excluded workers, and the EmPIRE Act for wage theft enforcement. Advocates for the Raise the Wage Act, which would increase the minimum wage to over $21.25 by 2026 with annual indexing, argued it would benefit 2.9 million workers with average raises of $63 per week, compared to the Governor's proposal benefiting 900,000 workers with $13 per week. Tal Frieden of ALIGN's Raise Up New York coalition noted the proposal is backed by over 200 businesses and represents 1.3 million workers. Paul Sonn criticized the Governor's plan to freeze and phase out a $3 hourly wage premium for home care workers negotiated just 10 months earlier, calling it "counterproductive" given the urgent home care labor shortage. He also opposed the Governor's 3 percent cap on minimum wage indexing, noting that 16 of 19 states adjusting wages for inflation have no caps. James Parrott of the Economic Policy Institute defended minimum wage increases against inflation concerns, citing New York City's experience doubling its minimum wage between 2014-2019 with no noticeable inflation. He attributed recent inflation to supply chain disruptions, the Ukraine war, and corporate pricing power, not wages. On unemployment insurance, Parrott warned that New York's trust fund lasted only two weeks before requiring federal borrowing in the recent recession, and recommended reforming the tax structure. The current taxable wage base is $12,300. Advocates testified for the Unemployment Bridge Program, which would provide benefits to 750,000 workers excluded from traditional unemployment insurance, including freelancers, undocumented workers, and people reentering from incarceration. The program would provide up to $1,200 monthly for six months, funded through a digital ad tax expected to generate $1 billion statewide. Angeles Solis of Make the Road New York noted that undocumented immigrants paid $1.4 billion into the UI system over the past decade but cannot access benefits. Lucas Sanchez of New York Communities for Change emphasized the program's role in reducing recidivism, which costs $50,000 annually per person compared to $7,200 maximum for the bridge program. Hugh Baran testified on the EmPIRE Act, which would allow private attorneys and nonprofits to enforce labor law violations. He cited California's similar PAGA law, which generated an average of $67 million annually from 2016-2021, and estimated New York's version would generate $30 million yearly with a $500 per worker per pay period per violation penalty. Adam Flint testified on behalf of climate education and clean energy careers advocates, proposing a $3 million interagency working group to address gaps in workforce development for clean energy jobs needed to meet the state's climate goals. He noted the Governor's Strategic Workforce Development Office fund was zeroed out for the year. Chairwoman Liz Krueger expressed concern about potential recession and the need to implement unemployment insurance reforms quickly, noting the state could look to other states' models for implementation. Senator Robert Jackson indicated willingness to override a gubernatorial veto to protect home care worker wages. The hearing marked the final panel of the 2023-2024 budget hearing cycle.

Topic Summary

This joint hearing examined Governor Hochul's proposed 2023-2024 budget for workforce development, focusing on the Department of Labor, Department of Civil Service, and Office of Employee Relations. Testimony covered pandemic recovery, unemployment insurance fraud and modernization, civil service hiring reforms, and state workforce expansion initiatives.

Testimony (36)

Roberta Reardon agency_official informational
Commissioner, New York State Department of Labor
Commissioner Reardon highlighted the Department of Labor's pandemic response and recovery efforts, including distribution of over $105 billion in unemployment benefits to nearly 5 million New Yorkers. She discussed implementation of fraud prevention measures, wage theft recovery efforts, workforce development initiatives including virtual career services, and support for clean energy job training. She emphasized the department's modernization efforts and expanded language access services.
Commissioner Reardon agency_official informational
Department of Labor
Commissioner Reardon detailed the Department of Labor's response to pandemic-era unemployment insurance fraud, explaining how identity theft by international cyber-rings exploited loose eligibility criteria in federal programs. She described implementation of ID.me verification and multifactor authentication systems that dramatically reduced fraud. She reported that in 2022, the state paid out $2.5 billion in benefits with only $388,000 lost to fraud, compared to over $300 million monthly in fraud during the first year of the pandemic.
Commissioner Reardon agency_official informational
Department of Labor
Commissioner Reardon provided testimony on unemployment insurance debt repayment obligations, home care worker wage policy, child labor law violations, and workforce development initiatives. He defended the state's handling of pandemic-related UI claims and explained the rationale for excluding home care workers from across-the-board minimum wage increases, stating the $3 increase was intended as temporary stabilization rather than permanent policy.
Assemblywoman Stefani Zinerman elected_official neutral
New York State Assembly
Zinerman raised concerns about persistent double-digit unemployment in Black communities, noting that since 1972 Black unemployment has been roughly twice the rate of white workers. She asked three key questions: what equity initiatives are being employed to address this disparity, who is the target audience for recruitment, and what career pathway programs exist. She emphasized the need to start career discussions before high school.
Barbara Zaron advocate neutral
Management/Confidential Employees
Zaron testified about management and confidential employees' awareness of workforce issues. She noted that most management/confidential staff began in CSEA or PEF positions and worked their way up, and suggested they may not be as focused on Tier 6 issues as other employee groups.
James Parrott academic supportive
Economic Policy Institute (implied from context)
Parrott testified on minimum wage impacts and unemployment insurance reform. He argued that New York's doubling of minimum wage between 2014-2019 did not cause noticeable inflation, attributing recent inflation to supply chain issues, the Ukraine war, and corporate pricing power rather than wage increases. He recommended reforming the UI tax structure and increasing the taxable wage base to address the trust fund deficit.
Timothy Hogues agency_official informational
Commissioner, New York State Department of Civil Service
Commissioner Hogues discussed the Department of Civil Service's efforts to modernize hiring and recruitment, including transitioning civil service exams to online format and implementing the Hiring for Emergency Limited Placement (HELP) program to waive exam requirements for critical health and safety positions. He highlighted workforce diversity initiatives, nursing title restructuring with salary increases, and health insurance program administration for 1.2 million members.
Director Michael Volforte agency_official informational
Governor's Office of Employee Relations (GOER)
Director Volforte reported on state labor negotiations, noting that one union currently has an expired contract with active negotiations ongoing. He stated that remaining unions either have contracts expiring this year or in future years, with negotiations beginning in advance of expiration. He defended the pace of contract negotiations, noting that delays are not always attributable to staffing but sometimes to timing choices made by the parties.
Commissioner Hogues agency_official informational
Governor's Office of Employee Relations
Commissioner Hogues testified on civil service modernization, recruitment and testing procedures, and special programs for individuals with disabilities and veterans. He discussed proposed increases to the 55B and 55C programs from 1,200 to 1,700 positions, changes to civil service testing from bubble-fill to training and experience evaluations, and the extension of income cap waivers for retirees returning to school settings.
Commissioner Hogues agency_official informational
Department of Civil Service
Hogues described the Department's diversity, management, and inclusion (ODIM) division's outreach campaign to underserved populations, including partnerships with the NAACP. He noted the department held a Black History Month event attended by over 500 individuals online and emphasized the importance of trusted community messengers. He also discussed increased 55B program funding and accessibility measures for workers with disabilities.
Josh Terry advocate opposed
CSEA (Civil Service Employees Association)
Terry testified on behalf of CSEA members about Tier 6 pension concerns, workplace safety issues, staffing shortages, and recruitment bottlenecks in the Department of Civil Service. He emphasized that Tier 6 employees pay more, receive less, and work longer, and that safety problems stem from inadequate staffing levels.
Paul Sonn advocate supportive
Not explicitly stated; appears to be labor/worker advocate
Sonn testified that minimum wage increases are vital responses to inflation and criticized the Governor's proposal as insufficient. He emphasized that the Governor's plan to freeze and phase out the $3 home care wage premium negotiated 10 months prior was counterproductive given the urgent home care labor shortage. He advocated for the Raise the Wage Act to preserve the home care increment.
Michael N. Volforte agency_official informational
Director, New York State Office of Employee Relations
Director Volforte outlined the Office of Employee Relations' role in workforce expansion and labor relations, including successful negotiation of three collective bargaining agreements and ongoing negotiations with nine unions. He discussed implementation of paid parental leave for unrepresented state employees (12 weeks at full pay), extension of healthcare worker bonuses to over 39,000 state employees, and various employee benefit programs including pre-tax savings accounts and professional development.
Commissioner Hogues agency_official informational
Department of Civil Service
Commissioner Hogues outlined comprehensive civil service modernization proposals including continuous recruitment, online exams, and 12 Centers for Careers in Government across the state. She discussed efforts to address recruitment and retention challenges, including a 2022 nursing title upgrade with regional differentials and the Nurses for Our Future tuition support program. She emphasized the need for a comprehensive civil service pay structure study to compete with the private sector and described the HELP (Hiring for Emergency Limited Placement) program affecting over 100 titles.
Assemblywoman Tremaine Wright Lucas elected_official neutral
New York State Assembly
Lucas asked about investment in the GAINS (Growing Apprenticeship in Nontraditional Sectors) program and requested information about incubators in underserved neighborhoods, specifically citing her district (60th Assembly District: East New York, Brownsville, Canarsie) as having high unemployment. She expressed concern that promised programs are not reaching her communities.
Ed Farrell advocate supportive
Retired Public Employees Association
Farrell testified on behalf of retirees regarding cost-of-living adjustments (COLA). He discussed a proposal to allow catch-up COLA payments to reach the 3 percent annual cap for eligible retirees, citing a fiscal note of $107 million. He explained the history and mechanics of the COLA cap system.
Hugh Baran advocate supportive
Not explicitly stated; appears to be labor law expert/advocate
Baran testified on the EmPIRE Act (Empowering People in Rights Enforcement), which would allow private attorneys and nonprofits to enforce labor law violations. He explained the act would establish a $500 per worker per pay period per violation penalty and generate revenue for the Department of Labor. He cited California's PAGA law as a model, which generated an average of $67 million per year.
Commissioner Reardon agency_official informational
Department of Labor
Reardon responded to questions about youth unemployment, noting it is a complex issue with multiple factors. She discussed the department's efforts to connect young people to career paths through partnerships with State Education and BOCES superintendents, registered apprenticeships, and out-stationing senior staff across Career Centers. She acknowledged that youth unemployment rates (16-24) have not returned to pre-pandemic levels and committed to exploring more granular data reporting.
Randi DiAntonio advocate opposed
PEF (Public Employees Federation)
DiAntonio testified on behalf of PEF members about contracting out, workplace safety, staffing shortages, recruitment and retention challenges, reasonable accommodations for disabled workers, remote work options, and unintended consequences of the HALT legislation in correctional facilities. She emphasized that staffing is the root cause of safety issues.
Tal Frieden advocate supportive
ALIGN, Campaign Coordinator for Raise Up New York
Frieden testified on behalf of Raise Up New York coalition supporting the Raise the Wage Act (S1978A/A2204A) to raise minimum wage to over $21.25 by 2026 with annual indexing. He highlighted that the coalition represents 1.3 million workers and is supported by over 200 businesses. He contrasted the Raise the Wage Act with the Governor's proposal, noting the former would benefit 2.9 million workers with average raises of $63 per week versus 900,000 workers with $13 per week under the Governor's plan.
Assemblyman Andrew Ramos elected_official neutral
New York State Assembly
Ramos asked about UI fraud prevention and modernization efforts, specifically whether the state is looking at alternative data sources beyond employer wage data for verification. Commissioner Reardon explained that current law requires employer contact for wage verification and that PUA fraud during the pandemic involved 1.5 million unverified claims due to lack of employer records.
James Parrott academic opposed
Center for New York City Affairs at The New School
Parrott testified on unemployment insurance financing, arguing that New York's system is severely flawed. He cited an $8 billion trust fund federal debt and explained how the low taxable wage base of $12,300 creates a regressive tax structure that disproportionately burdens small employers and low-wage industries.
Angeles Solis advocate supportive
Make the Road New York
Solis testified on the Unemployment Bridge Program (S3192/A4825), which would provide unemployment benefits to 750,000 workers excluded from traditional UI, including freelancers, undocumented workers, people on reentry, and those in the cash economy. She emphasized the program would provide up to $1,200 per month for up to six months and would be funded through a digital ad tax generating over $1 billion for New York State.
Chairwoman Weinstein elected_official neutral
New York State Senate
Weinstein asked about youth unemployment data and requested more granular reporting by age subgroups within the 16-24 category. She noted that regional labor force data is only available on a five-year estimate basis (latest from 2017-2021) and requested more frequent updates to inform policy decisions.
Paul Sonn advocate opposed
National Employment Law Project
Sonn testified on minimum wage proposals, arguing that the Governor's proposal is inadequate and that the Legislature should pass the Raise the Wage Act instead. He cited research showing the $15 minimum wage did not hurt job growth and noted that other high-cost states are proposing $20+ minimum wages.
Lucas Sanchez advocate supportive
New York Communities for Change, Co-Executive Director
Sanchez testified in support of three pieces of legislation: the Unemployment Bridge Program, the Raise the Wage Act, and the EmPIRE Act. He spoke from personal experience as an undocumented immigrant and emphasized how these bills would address racial and economic justice issues, noting that Black unemployment rates typically run nearly twice as high as rates for white workers.
Assemblywoman Carrie Woerner Simon elected_official neutral
New York State Assembly
Simon asked about DOL modernization timeline, accessibility for workers with disabilities, and accessibility of apprenticeship programs. Commissioner Reardon stated the modernization aim is end of year 2023 but emphasized thorough testing before launch. Commissioner Hogues discussed work with the Chief Disability Officer and community-based organizations representing people with disabilities.
Hugh Baran advocate supportive
Kakalec Law / EmPIRE Coalition
Baran testified in support of the EmPIRE Worker Protection Act (A1893/S541), arguing it would generate approximately $30 million annually for the Department of Labor to fund wage theft enforcement. He cited that employers steal $3 billion annually from New York workers and that DOL has fewer than half the investigators it had in the 1960s.
Adam Flint advocate informational
Climate Education and Green Energy Careers Working Group
Flint testified on behalf of a working group focused on climate education and clean energy careers. He identified a critical gap in state policy and programs needed to build a 21st-century workforce to meet CLCPA goals. He proposed funding an interagency plus stakeholder working group at approximately $3 million and noted that the Governor's Strategic Workforce Development Office fund was zeroed out for the year.
Ed Farrell advocate supportive
Retired Public Employees Association
Farrell testified on behalf of nearly 500,000 retired state and local government employees. He raised two main issues: (1) the inadequacy of the current COLA (cost-of-living adjustment), which is half a true COLA capped at 3 percent, and (2) access to skilled nursing facilities for retirees in the Empire Plan. He noted that 24 percent of retirees have pensions under $10,000 and proposed a catch-up provision for those with the lowest pensions.
Barbara Zaron advocate supportive
Organization of New York State Management Confidential Employees
Zaron testified on behalf of MC (Management Confidential) employees who cannot join unions or engage in collective bargaining. She outlined compensation recommendations based on the CSEA contract: 3 percent salary increase, $3,000 retention bonus, increased location pay, expanded longevity pay, and increased sick leave cap. She also raised the issue of MC employees who retired between 2009-2015 and had salary increases withheld, proposing a $70/month rebate not to exceed $5,000.
Joshua Terry advocate supportive
CSEA Local 1000 AFSCME
Terry testified that the state workforce was 'strangled' for a decade with hiring freezes. He noted New York State has lost 13,000 employees net over about a decade, and local governments have lost 7 percent of their workforce. He expressed support for continuous recruitment, waiving civil service exam fees, community outreach for job opportunities, and Tier 6 pension reform. He emphasized the need to make public service attractive again.
Randi DiAntonio advocate supportive
Public Employees Federation (PEF)
DiAntonio testified on behalf of approximately 50,000 professional, scientific, and technical state employees. She expressed support for lifting the hiring freeze but emphasized that recruitment and retention efforts are not happening fast enough. She cited Tier 6 pension inadequacy, pay inequity with private sector, and poor working conditions as major retention problems. She noted the state is down 12,500 workers with 26 percent more ready to retire, and warned of an impending staffing crisis.
Senator Gustavo Ramos elected_official neutral
New York State Senate
Ramos asked DiAntonio about the tight labor market and how the state reached a deficit of 12,500 workers. He also asked Terry how continuous recruitment can be used to expand the state workforce to include more people of color. Both responses emphasized the need for community outreach and making public service attractive.
Assemblywoman Nicole Pheffer Amato elected_official supportive
New York State Assembly
Pheffer Amato thanked frontline workers and retirees for their service during the pandemic. She asked Terry to clarify recent discussions about CSEA out-of-network health insurance benefits, seeking to correct misinformation. She expressed support for helping retirees with low pensions and acknowledged the poverty-level impact of inadequate pension increases.
Senator Robert Jackson elected_official opposed
New York State Senate
Jackson asked union leaders about Tier 6 pension concerns, stating 'Tier 6 sucks' to express dissatisfaction from constituents. He requested short answers about why people oppose Tier 6. DiAntonio responded that Tier 6 members pay more for less benefit and see no incentive to stay in state employment as a career.

Senator Engagement (30)

Senator Engagement Stance Focus Areas Summary
Sen. Hinchey neutral Sen. Hinchey was noted as present but did not ask questions in the transcript provided.
Sen. Hinchey skeptical PERB funding and responsiveness to farmworker organizing Police department reciprocity between counties Sen. Hinchey raised concerns about PERB's funding cuts and responsiveness to farmworker organizing issues, noting that both farmers and farmworkers are struggling to reach the agency. He also inquired about reciprocity issues affecting small police departments in the Hudson Valley.
Sen. Jackson neutral Sen. Jackson, chair of the Civil Service Committee, was noted as present but did not ask questions in the transcript provided.
Sen. Jackson supportive Unemployment insurance fraud prevention Labor contract negotiations and staffing Civil service modernization and recruitment Nursing recruitment and pay upgrades Contracting out of services Sen. Jackson, chair of Civil Service and Pensions Committee, engaged extensively with all three commissioners on workforce development issues. He expressed support for modernization efforts while raising concerns about the pace of contract negotiations and the extent of service contracting, noting that over 9,000 FTE positions are contracted out.
Sen. Jackson supportive 55B and 55C programs for people with disabilities and veterans Waiver extension for retirees returning to school settings Special accidental death benefits for county employees Sen. Jackson expressed support for the proposed increases to 55B and 55C programs and the waiver extension, requesting follow-up details from staff. He supported extending accidental death benefits to county employees.
Sen. Jackson opposed Tier 6 pension reform Employee dissatisfaction Retention challenges Jackson expressed strong opposition to Tier 6 pension structure, using blunt language ('Tier 6 sucks') to signal constituent dissatisfaction and asking union leaders about specific concerns.
Sen. Jackson neutral Tier 6 pension concerns Employee awareness of pension issues Contracting out problems Union member perspectives Sen. Jackson asked pointed questions to multiple testifiers about Tier 6 awareness among different employee groups and pressed for details on contracting out issues, seeking to understand the scope of problems affecting state workers.
Sen. Jackson supportive Home care worker wages and Governor's proposal Unemployment insurance trust fund revenue Legislative action and potential gubernatorial veto Sen. Jackson expressed support for protecting home care worker wages and questioned what legislative action would be needed to raise revenue for UI reform. He indicated willingness to override a gubernatorial veto if necessary.
Sen. Krueger neutral Hearing procedures and time management Committee coordination As chair of the Senate Finance Committee, Sen. Krueger managed the hearing logistics, introduced members, and set procedural rules. She did not ask substantive questions of the testifiers during the transcript provided.
Sen. Krueger opposed Home care worker crisis and wage data Home care worker participation rates Aging population growth and demand for home care Hospital discharge planning barriers Sen. Krueger challenged Commissioner Reardon's claim that the home care crisis has been resolved, requesting detailed data on participation growth between 2017-2023 and pointing out that removing the $3 wage increase is counterintuitive if wages helped attract workers. She expressed skepticism about the policy decision.
Sen. Krueger neutral Hearing administration Panel management Follow-up coordination Krueger chaired the second panel of testimony and managed the hearing logistics, introducing testifiers and coordinating questions from other senators.
Sen. Krueger neutral Hearing management Time management of testimony As chair, Sen. Krueger managed the hearing flow, cutting off testimony when time limits were exceeded and introducing panelists. She did not ask substantive policy questions.
Sen. Krueger supportive Unemployment insurance reform timeline and implementation Minimum wage indexing Home care worker wages Hearing management and time allocation Chair Krueger actively engaged with testifiers on UI reform, expressing concern about potential recession and the need to implement changes quickly. She demonstrated support for minimum wage increases and appeared sympathetic to worker protections, while managing the hearing efficiently.
Sen. Martins neutral Sen. Martins, acting ranking member of Senate Finance Committee and ranker on Labor, was noted as present but did not ask questions in the transcript provided.
Sen. Martins skeptical Prevailing wage enforcement in construction Civil service exam currency for fire marshals Unemployment insurance debt relief for small businesses Sen. Martins expressed concern that prevailing wage compliance is not adequately enforced in construction trades and requested that Commissioner Hogues review outdated civil service lists for fire marshals in Nassau County. He also inquired about potential relief for small businesses facing unemployment insurance debt repayment.
Sen. Martins skeptical State surplus and COVID relief funds Unemployment insurance debt repayment Use of federal relief money for UI Sen. Martins questioned whether the state should use its surplus and federal COVID relief funds to offset UI repayment obligations rather than placing the burden on employers. He pressed Commissioner Reardon on available resources and alternative funding mechanisms.
Sen. Martins supportive Civil Service recruitment bottlenecks Tier 6 reform Pension eligibility and low-income retirees Job exam and testing delays Sen. Martins expressed support for Tier 6 reform and asked detailed questions about recruitment barriers in the Department of Civil Service, seeking to understand whether low pensions were going to part-time or full-time workers. He signaled openness to addressing systemic hiring delays.
Sen. Martins skeptical Inflation concerns Impact of minimum wage increases on fixed-income populations Consumer purchasing power Sen. Martins raised concerns about minimum wage increases contributing to inflation and impacting constituents' ability to purchase everyday items, particularly those on fixed incomes. His questions signaled skepticism about wage-push inflation claims.
Sen. Mayer neutral Sen. Mayer was noted as present but did not ask questions in the transcript provided.
Sen. Mayer opposed Home care worker wage exclusion from minimum wage increases Child labor law violations and criminal penalties EMS workers and Empire Plan access Civil service testing procedures Sen. Mayer was highly engaged and skeptical, challenging the exclusion of home care workers from minimum wage increases and questioning the lack of criminal convictions for child labor violations. She praised the change allowing EMS workers access to Empire Plan and asked about virtual testing percentages.
Sen. Ramos skeptical Healthcare worker wage increases and indexing Minimum wage indexing caps and off-ramps Unemployment insurance for gig workers (Uber/Lyft) Pandemic Unemployment Assistance (PUA) and excluded workers DOL enforcement and wage theft Nail salon and car wash worker protections Human trafficking in labor contexts Sen. Ramos engaged extensively with Commissioner Reardon, questioning the Governor's minimum wage indexing proposal as insufficient compared to other states, pressing on why home care workers are excluded from certain benefits, and raising concerns about enforcement gaps in wage theft and worker protections. She expressed skepticism about the adequacy of current protections for vulnerable workers.
Sen. Ramos skeptical Construction injuries and deaths surpassing pre-pandemic levels Worker Fatal Registry implementation and compliance Joint Task Force to Fight Worker Exploitation reporting requirements Sen. Ramos pressed Commissioner Reardon on the delayed implementation of the Worker Fatal Registry and its lack of detailed information about death circumstances. She requested reinstatement of yearly reporting requirements for the Joint Task Force to Fight Worker Exploitation.
Sen. Ramos supportive Labor market tightness Workforce deficit causes Recruitment of people of color Community engagement Ramos asked follow-up questions about the causes of workforce shortages and how continuous recruitment can be used to reach communities of color, signaling support for union proposals.
Sen. Ramos supportive Unemployment insurance solutions Minimum wage job impact research Wage theft enforcement Sen. Ramos asked for specific solutions on UI financing and sought confirmation that minimum wage increases do not harm job growth, citing research. He expressed agreement with the EmPIRE Act testimony without asking questions.
Sen. Ramos supportive Public safety impacts of minimum wage increases Business support for wage increases Unemployment Bridge Program mechanics Reentry worker benefits Sen. Ramos asked supportive questions about the connection between minimum wage increases and public safety, business support, and the mechanics of the Unemployment Bridge Program. He appeared to be a sponsor of key legislation discussed.
Sen. Rhoads neutral Sen. Rhoads was noted as present but did not ask questions in the transcript provided.
Sen. Rhoads skeptical State responsibility for UI debt repayment Federal regulations on surplus use Continuous recruitment testing for police, fire, and EMS Sen. Rhoads argued that the state should shoulder more responsibility for UI repayment since the state shut down businesses during the pandemic, not employers. He questioned whether federal regulations prohibit using surplus funds and asked about eligibility for continuous recruitment testing.
Sen. Weik neutral Sen. Weik, ranker for the Civil Service Committee, was noted as present but did not ask questions in the transcript provided.
Sen. Weik supportive Civil service title flexibility for local governments Unemployment fraud recoupment efforts Recruitment of younger workers Sen. Weik raised practical concerns about civil service title rigidity affecting library recruitment in Nassau and Suffolk counties, and thanked Commissioner Reardon for unemployment insurance responsiveness. She inquired about relaxing education/experience requirements for civil service exams.
Sen. Weinstein skeptical Youth unemployment data Labor force reporting granularity Regional data frequency Policy-informed decision making Weinstein asked pointed questions about the adequacy of current labor force data reporting, specifically challenging the use of five-year estimates and broad age categories (16-24) as insufficient for policy development. She requested more granular, frequent data.