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2025-02-27 Joint Legislative Hearing on the 2025-2026 Executive Budget - Taxes Chair: Sen. Liz Krueger (Senate Finance); Assemblyman G. Gary Pretlow (Assembly Ways and Means) View full transcript → Archive

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New York State lawmakers heard competing visions for the 2025-2026 budget's tax provisions at a joint legislative hearing on February 27, with Acting Tax Commissioner Amanda Hiller defending Governor Hochul's proposals while advocates and business groups clashed over revenue-raising strategies amid looming federal funding cuts. Commissioner Hiller outlined the Governor's three-part tax relief package: a $3 billion sales tax rebate to 8.6 million households, income tax rate cuts bringing rates to their lowest levels since 1934 and providing nearly $1 billion in recurring relief to 8.3 million New Yorkers, and a historic expansion of the Empire State Child Credit that would increase the maximum credit from $330 to $500 for children ages 4-16 and to $1,000 for children under age 4. She also proposed simplifying the STAR property tax exemption program to reduce complexity for seniors and local assessors. However, progressive advocates challenged the adequacy of these measures. The Fiscal Policy Institute opposed the income tax cut as a permanent revenue loss at a time of federal funding risks, noting that 65 percent of the tax cut benefits households making over $150,000. The Strong Economy for All Coalition warned of catastrophic federal cuts, including at least $880 billion in Medicaid reductions affecting 7 million New Yorkers, and urged immediate state action to prepare. New Yorkers for Fiscal Fairness proposed increasing top income tax rates on those earning over $5 million and $25 million by 0.5 percent each, generating nearly $1 billion, and raising the corporate tax rate to 9 percent, generating about $2 billion annually. Small business representatives from the National Federation of Independent Business focused on the state's $6.3 billion unemployment insurance debt to the federal government, which they said is crushing small employers. They noted that small businesses are paying $105 in increased federal UI taxes and $250 per employee in state UI taxes, and warned that the federal FUTA offset will double next year if the debt remains unpaid. NFIB supported the Governor's proposal to pay the UI interest assessment surcharge but called for state action to address the underlying debt, noting that 36 other states used COVID relief funds to pay down their UI obligations. The Schuyler Center for Analysis and Advocacy supported the Governor's child tax credit expansion but advocated for even larger increases aligned with the Child Poverty Reduction Advisory Council's recommendations, which would reduce child poverty by 23 percent compared to the Governor's estimated 8 percent reduction. The New York State Council of Churches called for taxing the wealthiest New Yorkers and eliminating the 100 percent rebate of the stock transfer tax, which could generate $10-14 billion in revenue. Senators pressed Commissioner Hiller on federal tax policy risks, the gold bullion exemption costing over $600 million in foregone sales tax revenue, and whether the state can adequately respond to potential massive federal funding cuts. Sen. Liz Krueger expressed deep concern about federal Medicaid cuts and questioned whether the state's rainy day fund and tax increases alone could bridge a potential $10-15 billion federal funding gap. Sen. Andrew Gounardes sought to identify tax giveaways that could be reclaimed as revenue sources. Sen. Thomas O'Mara challenged the administration's assertion that corporate tax reforms have helped, noting that Texas now has more financial services jobs than New York. The hearing underscored the state's fiscal dilemma: while the Governor proposes tax relief and child poverty reduction investments, lawmakers face the prospect of massive federal funding cuts that could require either significant new revenue or severe spending reductions. The debate reflected fundamental disagreements about whether to cut taxes for middle-income earners, raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations, or preserve reserves to weather federal cuts.

Topic Summary

This joint hearing examined Governor Hochul's proposed tax provisions in the 2025-2026 Executive Budget, including a $3 billion sales tax rebate, income tax rate cuts for low- and middle-income earners, expansion of the Empire State Child Credit, and modifications to the STAR program. Testimony addressed federal fiscal risks, unemployment insurance debt, small business concerns, and proposals for revenue increases on high-income earners and corporations.

Testimony (7)

Amanda Hiller agency_official informational
Acting Commissioner, NYS Department of Taxation and Finance
Commissioner Hiller presented the Governor's tax proposals including a $3 billion sales tax rebate to 8.6 million households, income tax rate cuts bringing rates to lowest levels since 1934, and expansion of the Empire State Child Credit. She discussed Direct File program success, modernization of Tax Department systems, and proposed STAR program simplifications to reduce complexity for seniors and assessors.
Nathan Gusdorf advocate opposed
Executive Director, Fiscal Policy Institute
Gusdorf testified against the income tax cut and inflation rebate, arguing they represent permanent revenue losses at a time of federal funding risks. He opposed the corporate tax expiration and advocated for revenue-raising measures including reducing the pass-through entity tax rebate and targeting multinational profit shifting. He presented research showing outmigration is largely a myth and that top earners do not move in response to tax increases.
Charles Khan advocate opposed
Deputy Director, Strong Economy for All Coalition
Khan warned of severe federal funding cuts including $880 billion in Medicaid cuts affecting 7 million New Yorkers, 3 million on SNAP, and thousands on Head Start. He urged the state to prepare immediately for these cuts and advocated for revenue increases on wealthy New Yorkers and billionaires to prepare for federal reductions.
Ron Deutsch advocate supportive
Director, New Yorkers for Fiscal Fairness
Deutsch advocated for the 'Share Our Wealth' proposals including increasing marginal income tax rates on those making over $5 million and $25 million by 0.5 percent each (generating nearly $1 billion) and increasing corporate tax rates from 7.25 to 9 percent for businesses with incomes over $5 million (generating about $2 billion annually). He noted these proposals were in both houses' one-house budgets last year and are supported by major unions and community groups.
Ashley Ranslow industry opposed
New York State Director, National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB)
Ranslow testified on behalf of NFIB's 11,000 New York members representing small businesses. She focused on the $6.3 billion unemployment insurance debt to the federal government, noting that small businesses are paying $105 in increased federal UI taxes and $250 per employee in state UI taxes. She supported the Governor's proposal to pay the interest assessment surcharge and noted that the FUTA offset will double next year if the debt remains unpaid.
Kari Siddiqui advocate supportive
Project Director, Schuyler Center for Analysis and Advocacy
Siddiqui testified on behalf of the Schuyler Center's child poverty reduction work. She supported the Governor's expansion of the Empire State Child Credit but advocated for even greater expansion aligned with the Child Poverty Reduction Advisory Council recommendations, which would provide $1,500 per child per year for all children zero to 18 and reduce child poverty by 23 percent compared to the Governor's estimated 8 percent reduction.
Peter Cook advocate supportive
Executive Director, New York State Council of Churches
Cook testified on behalf of the Council of Churches, representing 7,500 congregations and nine denominations. He advocated for three proposals: increasing top income tax rates for those earning over $5 million and $25 million by 0.5 percent each, eliminating the 100 percent rebate of the stock transfer tax (which could generate $10-14 billion), and requiring IDA tax breaks to have express approval from affected school boards.

Senator Engagement (8)

Senator Engagement Stance Focus Areas Summary
Sen. Andrew Gounardes skeptical IDA sales tax exemption reporting Tax expenditure analysis and evaluation Gold bullion exemption Charitable contribution deductions College credit and mortgage interest deductions Federal tax policy impacts Tax giveaways and revenue reclamation Capital gains taxation Sen. Gounardes demonstrated deep engagement with tax policy details, questioning the necessity of IDA reporting requirements and exploring the rationale for various tax expenditures. He identified the gold bullion exemption ($600+ million) as a significant tax giveaway and sought data on who benefits from itemized deductions. He advocated for examining tax breaks as revenue sources and supported capital gains taxation proposals.
Sen. Gustavo Rivera supportive Outmigration data and patterns Capital gains taxation Sen. Rivera sought detailed information on outmigration patterns across income levels, noting that working-class people also leave the state. He expressed strong support for capital gains taxation as a revenue source, stating 'Let's go get it.'
Sen. John Liu supportive Acting Commissioner status Secure Choice retirement program Outmigration of millionaires Sen. Liu expressed support for Commissioner Hiller's work and questioned why she remains in acting status. He sought details on the Secure Choice program rollout and clarified questions about millionaire outmigration, noting that millionaires also move into New York.
Sen. Liz Krueger skeptical Tax expenditure reporting and evaluation Federal tax policy changes and TCJA renewal IRS funding cuts and tax compliance ITIN filers and tax revenue Pass-through entity tax timing changes Property tax debt and liens Capital gains taxation Chair Krueger engaged extensively with Commissioner Hiller on tax policy details, expressing concern about federal funding cuts and their impact on New York. She was skeptical of the pass-through entity tax timing change and questioned whether it merely shifts revenue between fiscal years. She raised concerns about federal data security under the new administration and explored alternative revenue sources including capital gains taxation.
Sen. Pamela Helming skeptical Economic development incentives for new vs. existing businesses Sen. Helming raised concerns about new business incentive programs potentially disadvantaging existing small businesses in her district, particularly regarding the CATALIST NY program.
Sen. Robert Jackson supportive Taxing wealthy New Yorkers Support for progressive taxation Sen. Jackson sought confirmation that panelists supported taxing the wealthiest New Yorkers to address state needs and support vulnerable populations, expressing strong support for progressive taxation.
Sen. Shelley Mayer neutral Enhanced STAR eligibility expansion STAR appeal process timelines Tax Department staffing Federal Medicaid funding cuts Rainy day fund utilization Sen. Mayer focused on STAR program implementation details and sought information on staffing impacts and appeal timelines. She raised concerns about federal Medicaid cuts and questioned whether the state should utilize rainy day funds to address them.
Sen. Thomas O'Mara opposed Financial services industry job losses Corporate tax competitiveness Excelsior Jobs Program Film Tax Credit return on investment Pass-through entity tax timing Manufacturers tax parity Sen. O'Mara expressed concern about New York losing financial services jobs to Texas and questioned whether higher corporate taxes are driving businesses away. He challenged the Commissioner's assertion that corporate tax reforms have helped, noting that Texas now has more financial services jobs than New York. He advocated for the Excelsior Jobs Program and questioned the Film Tax Credit's negative return on investment.

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