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2023-02-08 JOINT LEGISLATIVE HEARING In the Matter of the 2023-2024 EXECUTIVE BUDGET ON ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION Chair: Sen. Liz Krueger View full transcript → Archive

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NEW YORK — Education Commissioner Betty Rosa defended the Cuomo administration's 2023-2024 budget proposal for elementary and secondary education before a joint legislative hearing Wednesday, emphasizing the need to streamline fragmented funding systems and address chronic underfunding in special education while opposing a controversial plan to transfer healthcare professional licensing to the Department of Health. Rosa outlined six budget priorities: early childhood programs, teacher certification reform, high school career opportunities, funding equity, student health and well-being, and data system modernization. She highlighted structural problems in the state's pre-K system, which operates under two laws and six separate funding streams, resulting in approximately $12 million of a $25 million allocation for full-day pre-K for 4-year-olds outside New York City going unused. Senator Shelley Mayer, chair of the Senate Education Committee, pressed Rosa on implementation delays in the RECOVS mental health program, noting that funds approved in the previous budget had not reached schools a year later. Rosa acknowledged that RFP approval processes can take 9-10 months and pledged to streamline bureaucratic procedures. She also defended the department's work on Regents exam reform, clarifying that no decisions have been made and that a 64-member task force including educators, business leaders, and parents is reviewing graduation requirements. Assemblyman Michael Benedetto questioned whether New York State's reading instruction methods align with current brain research, while also expressing frustration with chronic underfunding of special education schools. Rosa acknowledged that the special education tuition methodology is "broken" and has contributed to the loss of residential programs since 2014. Assemblywoman Carrie Woerner challenged the Executive Budget's proposed $3.5 million cut to library aid, noting that funding is $6 million below its 2008 peak. She questioned the zeroing out of funding for the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture and the Langston Hughes Community Library. Rosa's staff indicated support for reinstating those funds and proposed increasing the mortgage recording fee by $10 per transaction to support libraries and cultural education programs. The hearing, held in Hearing Room B of the Legislative Office Building in Albany, was the third in a series of joint fiscal committee hearings on the Governor's budget proposal. Additional testimony from school district leaders, teachers' unions, and education advocates is scheduled to follow. NEW YORK STATE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT DEFENDS BUDGET PRIORITIES AMID CONCERNS OVER CHARTER EXPANSION, CLASS SIZES, AND BULLYING NOTIFICATION State Education Commissioner Nilda Rosa testified before a joint legislative committee on Wednesday that the 2023-2024 executive budget represents a historic achievement in fully funding Foundation Aid for the first time, but faced pointed questioning from lawmakers over charter school expansion, class size monitoring, and parent notification of bullying incidents. Sen. John Liu pressed Rosa on whether the state adequately monitors class sizes, which were cited in the landmark Court of Appeals decision that led to Foundation Aid as a barrier to providing a sound, basic education. Rosa acknowledged the state monitors class sizes but noted that decisions are made at the local level based on available funding. Sen. Jim Tedisco raised concerns about the lack of mandatory parent notification when bullying is reported to the state education department. Citing the case of Jacobe Taras, whose parents were unaware of daily bullying that preceded his suicide, Tedisco argued that parents should be required to know if their child is bullying others or being bullied. He noted that legislation on this issue passed the Senate almost unanimously. Sen. Robert Jackson questioned the rationale behind the Governor's proposal to eliminate regional caps on charter schools, which could allow over 100 new charters in New York City. Rosa expressed uncertainty about the proposal's logic, noting that the state has declining student enrollment and already has 12 approved charters that have not yet opened. Other concerns raised included limitations on universal pre-K funding—only $12 million of $25 million was requested in the first round because districts lack space and cannot use the funds for capital improvements—and proposed cuts to library construction aid despite an estimated $1 billion need for facility upgrades. Sen. Hoylman-Sigal urged the state to track and publish data on book banning in school libraries and advocated for universal dyslexia screening at the K-3 level, citing a low-cost screening tool that costs $1.25 per student. The hearing was held February 8, 2023, before the Senate Finance Committee and Assembly Education Committee. NEW YORK STATE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT FACES SCRUTINY ON LITERACY, TEACHER SHORTAGES, AND CHARTER SCHOOL EXPANSION AT BUDGET HEARING The New York State Legislature's joint Finance Committee hearing on the 2023-2024 Executive Budget for elementary and secondary education revealed significant tensions between lawmakers and education officials over reading instruction, teacher recruitment, charter school expansion, and infrastructure mandates. Senator Weik raised alarm about declining literacy in New York State, citing statistics showing that dyslexia affects 20 percent of the population and represents 80-90 percent of learning disabilities. She noted that New York's reading comprehension scores have declined this century while neighboring Massachusetts and New Jersey have maintained higher scores. Commissioner Rosa acknowledged the issue but emphasized New York's larger English Language Learner population and the importance of early identification and brain research-informed instruction. Teacher shortages dominated much of the discussion. Senior Deputy Commissioner Baldwin reported that the department received $1.3 million last year to improve the Office of Teaching Initiatives and has made significant adjustments to teacher certification requirements approved by the Board of Regents. However, he acknowledged that enrollment in teacher prep programs has declined. Commissioner Rosa emphasized the need to change the narrative around teaching and suggested reconsidering the "Lone Ranger" model of single teachers in classrooms, advocating instead for cooperative teaching with more support staff. Charter school expansion sparked pointed exchanges. Assemblyman Pirozzolo argued that charter schools "save lives" for minority and low-income communities, citing a statistic that 95 percent of students in some schools don't meet state standards. However, Commissioner Rosa raised structural concerns, noting that some charter schools operate like private schools, lack financial transparency, don't serve proportional numbers of special education and English Language Learner students, and are concentrated in communities of color. She questioned why charter schools aren't embraced in other communities if they're such a successful model. Assemblyman Ardila challenged the diversion of over $2 billion from public schools to charter schools, asking what public schools could have done with those funds. Commissioner Rosa acknowledged the issue, using Wyandanch as an example of a district that had a fiscal monitor and now faces potential charter competition, which she called "devastating." Senator Stec raised concerns about a state mandate requiring all new buses purchased in 2027 to be zero-emission. He cited estimates of $8-15 billion in costs to taxpayers with only $800 million available from state and federal resources, meaning 90 percent of costs fall to local taxpayers. He noted that electric providers say the grid cannot handle the mandate and that electric buses perform differently in extreme cold. Commissioner Rosa acknowledged this is "one of the issues that's keeping us up at night" and invited Stec to future conversations. Senator Martinez, a former educator, asked pointed questions about bullying and DASA reporting, sharing a personal anecdote about a student suicide due to bullying. She questioned whether DASA reporting is accurate and whether schools receive adequate resources to address bullying. The hearing revealed significant gaps in the Executive Budget proposal, including no specific funding for reading instruction professional development, no appropriation for local planning on the bus mandate, and concerns about underfunding of the office responsible for developing New York State learning standards, which hasn't been updated in 20 years. The hearing was held February 8, 2023, before the joint Finance Committee of the New York State Legislature. State Education Department officials faced pointed questioning from lawmakers on Wednesday over the Governor's 2023-2024 education budget proposal, with particular criticism focused on proposed cuts to fiscal monitors, library capital funding, and special education schools, even as the administration touts a 10 percent increase in overall school aid. During a joint Senate-Assembly Finance Committee hearing, Commissioner Rosa and her team defended the budget's Foundation Aid proposal while acknowledging significant gaps in funding for critical programs. The most contentious issue centered on the Executive Budget's proposal to eliminate the regional charter school cap and permanently authorize all charter schools, which drew sharp opposition from multiple lawmakers who argued it dismantles the public school system and increases segregation. Assemblyman Carroll delivered an impassioned critique of literacy instruction in New York schools, citing data showing two-thirds of New York City students read below grade level and the state ranks 45th nationally in reading attainment despite spending the most per pupil. He argued that most schools use debunked curriculum methods rather than science-based instruction, calling it "unconscionable." Chairwoman Krueger raised concerns about the Executive Budget's proposed reduction in library capital funding from $34 million to $14 million, noting that close to one in five libraries lack ADA accessibility. The Regents have proposed $45 million for library capital instead. The hearing also highlighted funding challenges for vulnerable student populations. Chairwoman Krueger questioned whether the state's funding mechanisms can flexibly address rapid enrollment increases from migrant students, particularly in Midtown Manhattan schools. CFO Morris explained the Regents' proposal for enrollment adjustment aid to provide current-year funding rather than requiring districts to wait a year. A long-standing issue resurfaced when Assemblyman Smullen raised concerns about the $30,000 BOCES CTE salary cap, unchanged since 1990-1991. He calculated that inflation would suggest the cap should now be $65,000. Deputy Commissioner Baldwin, a former district superintendent, confirmed the cap is causing districts to avoid BOCES participation. The hearing also revealed staffing challenges at SED itself. Executive Deputy Commissioner Cates-Williams disclosed that SED currently has 2,549 employees against an original authorized level of 3,200, with particular gaps in IT infrastructure that has not been funded in many years. On special education, the budget proposes cutting funding to 4201 schools serving blind and deaf students despite the 10 percent overall increase, drawing criticism from Assemblyman Ra. The hearing also addressed a proposal to study the 853 school rate-setting methodology with a $2.5 million appropriation and a July 2025 deadline. The hearing revealed deep concerns about whether the budget adequately addresses racial disparities in education, with Assemblywoman Jackson questioning what specific plan exists to help Black and brown students catch up to their white and Asian counterparts in graduation rates. Commissioner Rosa emphasized the need for intentional, targeted funding through a new Foundation Aid formula rather than general investments. NEW YORK — Chancellor David Banks of the New York City Department of Education faced pointed questioning from state legislators on Wednesday over his handling of a class-size mandate and the financial pressures posed by charter school expansion, during a joint legislative hearing on the 2023-2024 state education budget. Banks testified that implementing the state-mandated class size limits—capping K-3 classes at 20 students, down from the current average of 22.2—would require hiring at least 7,000 additional teachers over five years. He warned that schools would face "very difficult choices" in Years 3 through 5 of implementation, potentially forcing cuts to arts, music, and other programs. But Sen. John Liu (D-Queens) rejected Banks' characterization of the mandate as an unfunded burden, noting that the 20-23-25 student limits originated from the DOE's own Foundation Aid calculations 15 years ago. "This is not a problem of your making, but it is a problem that you have to address," Liu said, emphasizing that the city has received $1.2 billion in additional Foundation Aid since the legislation passed and demanding the DOE develop comprehensive solutions including school construction, not simply direct principals to comply. Banks also disclosed that NYC spent nearly $3 billion on charter school costs last year, including $200 million in rent, with 146 charter schools collocated in traditional public school buildings. Sen. Shelley Mayer pressed him on whether lifting the charter cap—as Gov. Hochul has proposed—would further strain resources for traditional public schools. Banks acknowledged the expansion "presents challenges" but deferred the policy decision to the mayor and legislature. On education priorities, Banks highlighted a $205 million investment in proven programs for students with disabilities and announced the nation's largest dyslexia screening initiative, with all NYC students to be assessed and provided specialized instruction. He also noted that 65 percent of Black and brown children in the system never achieve reading proficiency, calling it "outrageous." Assemblywoman Jo Anne Simon pressed for details on dyslexia training and compensatory services for students with disabilities, with First Deputy Chancellor Dan Weisberg committing to provide information on communication plans to families. The hearing, held before the Assembly Ways and Means and Senate Finance committees, comes as the state considers major changes to education funding and charter school policy. NEW YORK — The New York City Department of Education faces a confluence of budget pressures that could force difficult trade-offs between expanding mental health services, reducing class sizes, and maintaining existing programs, according to testimony before a joint legislative hearing on the 2023-2024 executive budget Wednesday. Chancellor David Banks disclosed that the DOE is currently serving approximately 12,000 to 13,000 migrant students—a population the agency did not anticipate when budgeting for the current year. The influx has already cost $20 million in supplemental services, with an additional $80 million in per-pupil allocations, totaling roughly $100 million. Notably, neither the supplemental nor per-pupil costs appear to be covered by additional appropriations in the Governor's Executive Budget, according to testimony from DOE CFO Seritta Scott. The migrant student costs represent just one of several unfunded mandates facing the agency. Sen. Robert Jackson raised concerns about a $700 million funding cliff as federal stimulus money expires, particularly for social worker positions that the DOE has committed to placing in every school. First Deputy Chancellor Dan Weisberg acknowledged that replacement funding has not yet been identified. Class size reduction emerged as another major budget driver. A state law requiring class size reductions across all grades K-12 will cost approximately $1 billion in Years 3 through 5, Chancellor Banks testified. However, several senators expressed skepticism about the DOE's reliance on citywide averages. Sen. Iwen Chu, representing Southern Brooklyn, noted that schools in her district operate at 125 percent capacity with classes of 30 to 33 students—a situation that has persisted for over a decade. "Our kids, their education being in a crowded situation over a decade," she said, pushing back against the Chancellor's suggestion that the DOE might have to sacrifice arts and music programs to fund class size reductions. Charter school expansion poses an additional fiscal threat. If the state removes the charter school cap and reinstates "zombie charters," the city would face $1.3 billion in annual operating costs, according to data cited by Chair Liz Krueger. The DOE currently spends $200 million annually on rental assistance for existing charter schools, and approximately 146 charter schools are collocated with traditional public schools. On the positive side, Chancellor Banks highlighted mental health and safety initiatives, including the expansion of Community Schools from 325 to 400 (a net increase of 75), the launch of Project Pivot in 130 schools to provide safe passage and mental health support, and a forthcoming tele-mental health program for high school students in crisis. The DOE has also ensured that every school in the city has funding to hire a social worker. Sen. Tedisco, a former special education teacher, raised concerns about bullying and school violence, advocating for legislation that would mandate parental notification of bullying incidents—a requirement that currently does not exist in state law. Chancellor Banks expressed support for such legislation. The hearing underscored the tension between the DOE's commitments to expand services and the fiscal constraints it faces, with multiple senators requesting detailed cost analyses and follow-up data on everything from Gifted & Talented program availability to the tracking of students who leave charter schools after the October 31st enrollment cutoff. NEW YORK — NYC Schools Chancellor David Banks faced pointed questions about artificial intelligence in education and defended his administration's approach to charter schools during a joint legislative hearing on the 2023-2024 state education budget Wednesday. Banks acknowledged that ChatGPT and similar AI tools pose unprecedented challenges to academic integrity, with students able to generate essays that exceed teacher quality. "We have entered into a whole new world," he told lawmakers. The DOE has placed holds on the technology in schools but conceded students access it at home and teachers already use it. Banks said the department is "grappling" with guardrails and best practices, noting that vendors themselves are adding protections to mark AI-generated work. On charter schools, Banks defended the DOE's 146 collocations of charter and traditional public schools, arguing they allow the city to maximize existing facilities rather than lease expensive private space. He rejected characterizations that the DOE wasn't listening to community concerns about specific locations, saying proposed collocations are "always thorny issues." Teacher unions strongly opposed any charter expansion. NYSUT President Andy Pallotta presented Hart Research polling showing New York voters do not support charter growth and cited data showing 21 school districts with over 5% charter enrollment saw payments increase $1.2 billion in five years—with 60% of Foundation Aid increases going to charter payments. UFT Vice President Karen Alford called for closing charter authorization loopholes and promoted Community Schools as an alternative, citing a six-to-one return on investment. Banks committed to making Diwali a school holiday if legislation removing Brooklyn-Queens Day passes, and announced that a pilot program for Asian-American history curriculum will expand citywide this September. He also pledged to phase out whole-language and three-cueing reading instruction in favor of science-based literacy approaches. COO Emma Vadehra detailed the DOE's reliance on federal stimulus dollars: $3 billion spent last year, $2 billion this year, and $1 billion next year before the funding expires. The largest investment is the 3-K program at $450 million annually. The declining stimulus funding represents a significant fiscal constraint as the city faces budget pressures. Sen. John Liu pressed Banks on holiday equity, noting the inconsistency of recognizing Juneteenth on Monday when it fell on Sunday but not extending the same courtesy to Lunar New Year. He suggested the DOE use its remote learning buffer day to accommodate Diwali without waiting for legislation. School administrators and teachers' unions testified before a joint Assembly-Senate committee on February 8 that while they support the Governor's $2.7 billion Foundation Aid increase, the proposed expansion of charter schools threatens to undermine those gains by diverting resources from public schools. Henry Rubio, president of the Council of School Supervisors and Administrators, warned that approximately 100 of New York City's 1,700 schools lack an assistant principal due to a 300 percent increase in principal retirements and resignations. He called for legislative support to strengthen the pipeline of school leaders. Andy Pallotta, president of the New York State United Teachers, presented data showing that in some districts like Green Island, Menands, and Watervliet, charter school payments exceed the Foundation Aid increases the Legislature and Governor are providing. He cited the SUNY Charter Institute's decision to override local community opposition to charter schools in Suffolk County as an example of the lack of local control. Karen Alford of the United Federation of Teachers raised concerns about 'zombie charter schools'—those whose charters were previously surrendered, revoked, or terminated—being resurrected, noting that $153 million have been diverted from schools due to facilities charges. Cindy Gallagher of the School Administrators Association of New York State reported that 62 percent of building administrators statewide anticipate leaving within five years, signaling a critical shortage in the educator pipeline. The panel also highlighted the need for expanded mental health services, social workers in schools, and universal free meals. Sen. John Liu pressed administrators on charter school oversight, while Sen. Robert Jackson requested documentation of students returning from charter schools to track the impact on public school districts. The hearing underscored tensions between the Legislature's commitment to Foundation Aid and concerns about charter school expansion draining those resources. NEW YORK — Education advocates and superintendents from the state's largest urban school districts testified before the Legislature on Wednesday about the 2023-2024 executive budget, warning of an impending funding crisis as federal pandemic relief funds expire and pressing lawmakers to address charter school saturation in their communities. The hearing before the joint Finance Committee revealed stark disparities in how districts are managing the expiration of American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds. Yonkers Superintendent Dr. Edwin Quezada testified that his district hired 221 certified support staff positions—including psychologists, counselors, and social workers—using federal funds, addressing a 20-year gap in essential services. When those funds expire, Yonkers faces a $33 million budget shortfall. Similar concerns were raised by superintendents from Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse. Sen. Mayer validated the superintendents' use of temporary federal funds for permanent positions, noting that while ARPA money was intended for nonrecurring COVID-related expenses, it was "absolutely mandatory to meet the needs of our community." She pressed the districts on charter school expansion, which has reached concerning levels: Buffalo at 28 percent of students, Rochester at 25 percent, and Syracuse just under 25 percent. Buffalo Superintendent Tonja Williams testified that her district spent $143 million on charter schools last year while maintaining 60 schools to accommodate students who leave charters midyear. Rochester Superintendent Dr. Carmine Peluso reported his district will pay over $100 million in charter tuition and associated costs in 2022-23, and requested reinstatement of $1.2 million in school health services funding cut from the governor's budget. Education advocates from the first panel, including representatives from the United Federation of Teachers and NYSUT, discussed the need for teacher pipeline programs, expanded mental health services, and concerns about multiple grant funding streams that create implementation confusion. They also debated whether Community Schools funding should remain separate from Foundation Aid to ensure it is actually used for those programs. Sen. Liu questioned whether districts with a quarter of their students in charter schools should consolidate buildings, and asked how charter schools are approved over local objections. The hearing underscored tensions between charter school expansion and the financial sustainability of traditional public school systems in New York's largest urban centers. NEW YORK — Specialized schools serving students with disabilities and mental health challenges pleaded for increased state funding and workforce investment during a joint legislative hearing on the 2023-2024 education budget Wednesday, warning that fiscal instability is forcing closures and preventing them from serving thousands of students. Dr. Ed Placke, president of the 853 Coalition representing 60 schools serving students with significant behavioral and emotional issues, testified that the tuition rate-setting methodology funding these schools has been "absolutely broke" for nearly two decades. He noted that Green Chimneys, a residential program he directs, receives 1,000 applications annually but can only accept 40 students due to funding constraints. "There are a number of youngsters we should be helping that we can't, regrettably," Placke said. Dr. Bernadette Kappen of the 4201 Schools Association, which operates schools for blind, deaf, and severely physically disabled students, requested $30 million over three years for salary increases to compete with public schools. Teachers at 4201 schools earn $15,000 to $20,000 less than their public school counterparts, she said, leading to recruitment challenges. Kappen also asked lawmakers to reject the Governor's proposal to eliminate $2 million in funding and to allow schools to maintain fund balances for emergencies. Randi Levine of Advocates for Children of New York outlined approximately $107 million in funding recommendations, including $100 million for expanded mental health services, $1 million for a bilingual educator pipeline, and elimination of a "cost-neutral" requirement on a tuition rate study. She noted that only 65 percent of English language learners graduated high school in four years in 2022, and flagged concerns about the expiration of $700 million in federal COVID relief funding in New York City alone. Robert Lowry of the New York State Council of School Superintendents expressed support for full Foundation Aid implementation but urged expansion beyond the proposed 3 percent minimum increase. He cited survey data showing 82 percent of superintendents plan to improve mental health services and 79 percent will improve academic support with new funding. Sen. Shelley Mayer pressed witnesses on whether a budget-neutral tuition rate methodology could address years of underfunding, while Sen. Robert Jackson expressed strong personal support for the schools' work, citing his family's experience with disability services. The hearing, held by the Senate Finance Committee, is part of ongoing legislative review of Gov. Hochul's executive budget proposal for elementary and secondary education. New York State education advocates and school officials testified before the joint legislative Finance Committee on February 8, 2023, urging lawmakers to expand funding for universal school meals and mental health services while reforming the Foundation Aid formula to better serve high-need districts. Kyle Belokopitsky, executive director of the New York State Parent Teacher Association, told legislators that 726,000 students lost access to free meals when federal funding ended in September, and called for the state to implement universal school meals at an estimated cost of slightly above $200 million. "Hungry kids can't learn," Belokopitsky testified, noting that families earning $51,400 are deemed over-income for federal meal assistance. She also urged increased funding for school-based mental health services beyond the $10 million proposed in the executive budget, citing a PTA survey identifying anxiety, depression, bullying, and suicidal ideation as major youth mental health crises. While school officials praised the governor's commitment to fully funding Foundation Aid, they raised concerns about equity. Dave Little of the Rural Schools Association pointed out that while one Westchester district is receiving a 52 percent increase, high-need rural districts are limited to the 3 percent minimum. He warned that without updating the Foundation Aid formula now, the state will default to "the singularly most inequitable way" to fund schools—across-the-board allocations. Dan White, superintendent of Monroe 1 BOCES, highlighted critical workforce shortages in career and technical education, noting that BOCES instructors earn an average of $67,000 annually based on a $30,000 aidability cap that has remained unchanged for 30 years. He reported 10-15 percent waitlists in some trades programs, representing 1,500-2,000 students unable to access CTE training. Senators pressed witnesses on implementation costs. Sen. Murray expressed frustration with the BOCES pay cap, calling it "embarrassing," while Sen. Liu sought clarity on whether Foundation Aid formula reform would require additional state spending. Brian Fessler of the State School Boards Association requested restoration of $20 million in annual funding for prior-year aid claims that have waited upwards of 10 years for payment. Sen. Tedisco raised concerns about bullying and parent notification, referencing his "Jacobe's Law" bill and questioning why parents are not mandated to be informed of bullying incidents despite being involved in other school matters. New York State legislators heard sharply divided testimony Wednesday on Governor Hochul's 2023-2024 education budget, with school transportation officials warning that the state's mandate for 100 percent electric school buses by 2035 faces significant obstacles despite strong support from the Senate Finance Committee chair. School bus contractors and transportation officials testified that electric buses cost three to four times more than diesel buses—$400,000 to $450,000 versus $125,000—and that available funding of roughly $1 billion can replace only 6 percent of the state's fleet. They estimated $15 billion is needed for full conversion. Nicholas Vallone, acting president of the New York School Bus Contractors Association, and David Christopher, executive director of the New York Association for Pupil Transportation, raised concerns about grid capacity, lack of rural pilot programs, and infrastructure challenges including fire suppression requirements for lithium-ion batteries. Assemblyman Manktelow pressed witnesses on the lack of trials in rural areas, where winter weather, mountainous terrain, and long routes create different challenges than urban districts. Ms. Belokopitsky, a school official from rural Rensselaer County, noted that students in her district spend over two hours daily on buses in extreme cold and snow, raising questions about electric bus feasibility. Chairwoman Liz Krueger countered with data showing 551 electric buses already operating in winter climates including Alaska and Minnesota, and noted that average school bus routes of 63 miles fall well within the 150-mile range of current electric buses. She emphasized the state has until 2035 for implementation and that the mandate creates market demand for manufacturers. On other education funding issues, library advocates warned that proposed budget cuts would devastate aging infrastructure. Max Prime of the New York Library Association noted that over 50 percent of the state's public libraries are 60 years old and that the proposed $14 million for library construction represents a $20 million cut. He requested $147.1 million in State Library Aid and $69.4 million for construction. School district officials opposed a proposed high-impact tutoring set-aside, arguing it ties their hands and prevents addressing other priorities like bus driver recruitment. A survey cited by Mr. Lowry showed 79 percent of superintendents believe their budgets would improve with extra academic help, but many districts struggle to find qualified tutors and have other pressing needs. The New York State Community Schools Network requested $100 million in categorical aid to expand community schools statewide, citing data showing returns of up to $20 for every $1 invested through improved attendance, reduced discipline, and better test scores. The hearing, held jointly by the Senate Finance Committee and Assembly Ways and Means Committee, revealed fundamental disagreements about the feasibility and funding of the electric bus transition, with rural and suburban officials expressing skepticism about timelines while state leadership emphasized long-term market development and environmental necessity. NEW YORK — A joint legislative hearing on the 2023-2024 executive budget for elementary and secondary education revealed deep concerns about funding shortfalls across libraries, nonpublic schools, and school transportation, with testifiers warning that proposed allocations fall far short of actual needs. School librarians testified that the Governor's proposed $70 million STEM reimbursement program, while an increase from $58 million, remains insufficient. The previous allocation was fully exhausted annually with 1,800 applications, and full funding would require $100 million, according to Teach NYS representative Sydney Altfield. Library materials funding has remained flat at $6.25 per pupil since 2007, despite rising costs—a nonfiction children's book now costs approximately $22, making the requested $11 per pupil increase "pretty modest," Mr. Prime of the School Librarians Association testified. Nonpublic school advocates raised alarm about mandated services funding. Rabbi Silber of Agudath Israel warned that the Executive Budget's $193 million allocation for MSA and CAP programs falls $17 million short of the State Education Department's estimate of $210 million needed. More troubling, he said, is proposed budget language that would limit state liability for mandated services—a first in state history. "Schools are mandated to provide certain services... yet they wouldn't get fully reimbursed for fulfilling a state mandate," Rabbi Silber testified. Catholic school leaders presented stark enrollment data: the archdiocese has declined from 845 schools 25 years ago to fewer than 420 today, with enrollment dropping from approximately 400,000 to fewer than 200,000 students. Jim Cultrara of the Catholic School Superintendents opposed the Governor's proposal to raise the charter school cap absent tuition assistance, arguing that "for every charter school that has opened, a Catholic school has closed." School bus operators warned that the electric bus transition mandate faces significant obstacles. The timeline requiring purchases to begin in 2027 for a 2035 deadline is "a little aggressive," said industry representative Vallone, noting that 10 percent annual replacement is typical. Charging infrastructure costs $400,000 to $450,000 per bus, with charging stations running $30,000 to $70,000 each. Some districts operating electric buses have increased their fleets by 20 percent due to dependability issues, Mr. Christopher testified. Sen. Jackson expressed strong support for Community Schools, libraries, and buses as interconnected education investments but took a firm stance on yeshiva compliance with state education law, stating schools receiving state money must comply with regulations. He noted that parents in Buffalo are being paid to drive children to school due to driver shortages. The hearing, held by the Joint Legislative Committee on Finance on February 8, 2023, highlighted the gap between executive budget proposals and the actual costs of maintaining and improving New York's education infrastructure. NEW YORK — A joint legislative hearing on the 2023-2024 elementary and secondary education budget revealed sharp divisions over charter school expansion and school meal funding, with testimony highlighting both the promise and controversy surrounding education policy in New York. Governor Hochul's proposal to remove the regional cap on charter schools while maintaining the statewide cap of 460 drew passionate support from charter school advocates and parents, who framed the issue as a civil rights matter affecting low-income families and communities of color. Yomika Bennett, executive director of the New York Charter School Association, testified that charter schools serve more than 170,000 students across 350 schools and called for increased per-pupil funding, facility and transportation support, and a $200 million Education Equity Fund to encourage charter school founders from historically disadvantaged communities. However, senators expressed skepticism about charter school claims. Sen. John Liu challenged charter school representatives on accountability and transparency, noting that the Commissioner of Education has raised transparency concerns. He also disputed funding figures presented by James Merriman of the New York City Charter School Center, correcting his claim that Foundation Aid would increase 12 percent—the actual increase for New York City is 2 percent, Liu said, while charter reimbursement is 4.5 percent, not the 3.3 percent Merriman cited. Sen. Jabari Brisport raised concerns about charter school practices, citing Success Academy-Fort Greene's "got-to-go list" of students to be removed and questioning whether charter schools should be subject to the same 4 percent fund balance restrictions as traditional public schools. He also noted that his district, representing 10 percent of New York City's population, has 20-30 charter schools, raising questions about geographic saturation. Meanwhile, testimony on school meals revealed a crisis affecting hundreds of thousands of students. Jessica Pino-Goodspeed, representing the Healthy School Meals for All New York State Kids Coalition of over 250 organizations, reported that 726,000 children across New York lost access to free school meals when federal pandemic waivers expired at the start of the school year. About 2,000 schools reverted to needs-testing, leaving families earning less than a living wage ineligible for free meals. Patrick Kenneally, a school lunch director and chef, testified that a small rural school district with 880 students faces $18,000 in meal debt this year. He noted that families of four earning $51,400—below a living wage—do not qualify for free meals, forcing families to choose between food, transportation, and school lunch bills. Research cited in testimony shows school meals improve attendance, reduce tardiness, and improve test scores in spelling, reading, and math. Separate testimony addressed controversies surrounding Orthodox Jewish schools. Rabbi Silber disputed New York Times reporting, arguing that a $1 billion figure cited by the Times was misleading because it represented four years of funding, not one year, and included COVID relief, transportation, and food money. He noted that the state budget allocates $34 billion for education in a single year. He also defended schools' zero-tolerance corporal punishment policy, noting only a dozen allegations over five years compared to 16,000 complaints in public schools. Chairwoman Krueger raised concerns about special education funding fraud, noting that the New York City Board of Education stopped doing business with 20 firms affiliated with special education funds to yeshivas, involving approximately $60 million. Rabbi Silber acknowledged that if wrongdoing is found, money should be returned, but emphasized that this represents individual misconduct rather than systemic issues. The hearing, held before the Senate Finance Committee and Assembly Education Committee, underscored ongoing tensions between education stakeholders over school choice, funding equity, and accountability in New York's education system. NEW YORK STATE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE — School meal directors and education advocates urged lawmakers on Wednesday to increase funding for student nutrition programs and overhaul the state's outdated education funding formula during a joint legislative hearing on the 2023-2024 executive budget. Megan Bates, a school lunch director from Niskayuna, testified that the state has not updated school meal reimbursement rates since 2007, while grocery costs have surged 11.8 percent since December 2021. "If they are hungry, they can't learn, they're not taking anything in," Bates told the committee, urging lawmakers to support universal school meals for all students. Ms. Pino-Goodspeed of the New York State Education Department reported that nearly 92 percent of schools eligible for the federal Community Eligibility Provision are participating, but about 300 schools remain eligible but unable to afford their local cost-sharing obligations. Sen. Mayer pressed for details on how to incentivize participation and better leverage federal funding. Michael Rebell, former counsel in the landmark CFE education funding case, called the Foundation Aid formula "totally out of date," noting it was written in 2006 and still uses 2000 Census data for poverty calculations. He urged the Legislature to establish a permanent standing commission to conduct a thorough reanalysis of education funding needs, arguing the current formula fails to account for homelessness, pandemic impacts, and other contemporary challenges. Jasmine Gripper of the Alliance for Quality Education highlighted a funding disparity: New York City charter schools received $200 million of the $348 million Foundation Aid increase despite serving only 14 percent of students. She called for a new costing-out study to update the formula. Amshula Jayaram of the Solutions Not Suspensions Coalition presented data showing students lost 913,811 days to suspensions in the past year, with an average of 766 students suspended daily. She called for passage of legislation that would eliminate suspensions for pre-K through 3 students and cap suspensions at 20 days for older students. Sen. Tedisco expressed strong support for school meal funding, stating that investing billions in education is pointless if students lack adequate nutrition. Sen. Krueger emphasized that universal meals are critical for poor and rural districts outside New York City and the Big 5. The hearing, held February 8, also included testimony on charter school funding equity, nonpublic school oversight, and concerns about New York City Department of Education policies. Lawmakers signaled openness to addressing funding disparities and updating education formulas, though no specific legislative action was announced. NEW YORK — Legislators heard competing proposals for overhauling the state's school funding formula and strengthening oversight of charter schools during a joint budget hearing on elementary and secondary education Wednesday evening. Michael Rebell of the Academic organization AQE proposed establishing a standing commission to continuously review school funding needs, citing precedents from Oregon, Illinois, and Maryland. The commission would conduct thorough, zero-based analyses every two years—or potentially annually—to address emerging issues like English language learners and migrant students. Rebell argued the current system, which has gone 17 years without a major formula update, fails to meet constitutional requirements for a sound basic education. The proposal contrasts with the State Education Department's one-time assessment approach, which was not included in the Governor's budget proposal. Testimony also focused on charter school accountability. Ms. Gripper detailed methods used to extract profits from nonprofit charter schools, including above-market rent charges for board-member-owned buildings and contracts with for-profit management companies. She cited examples from Albany. Ms. Jayaram testified in support of the Solutions Not Suspensions bill, which would require charter schools to follow the same discipline rules as public schools. She noted that data on charter school suspensions is unavailable, making transparency a critical issue. "We don't really know what is happening in the charter schools," she said. Sen. Jabari Brisport pressed Gripper on profiteering mechanisms and asked Jayaram about charter school discipline practices, signaling skepticism about charter accountability. Sen. Shelley Mayer expressed support for the ongoing commission model and called for flexibility in negotiating the Solutions Not Suspensions bill. Sen. Robert Jackson, closing for the Senate, took a hardline stance on nonpublic schools not complying with regulations, stating: "Cut them off. Cut the money off." He emphasized the long-term nature of education reform efforts. The hearing concluded at 8:40 p.m. after the final panel of testimony.

Topic Summary

The joint fiscal committees of the New York State Legislature held a hearing on the Governor's proposed 2023-2024 budget for elementary and secondary education. Commissioner Betty Rosa presented the Education Department's budget priorities, including early childhood programs, teacher certification reform, Foundation Aid equity, student health and well-being, and data system modernization. Multiple legislators questioned the commissioner on reading instruction methods, Regents exam reform, special education funding, library funding, and implementation delays in mental health programs.

Testimony (150)

Betty A. Rosa agency_official informational
Commissioner, New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa outlined the NYSED budget request aligned with three guiding principles: fostering lifelong learning and academic success, advancing equity and excellence, and strengthening departmental capacity. She detailed six major budget areas: early childhood programs, teacher certification, high school career opportunities, funding equity, health and well-being, and data modernization. Rosa emphasized the need to streamline pre-K funding (currently governed by two laws and six funding streams), address special education tuition methodology issues, and opposed the Governor's proposal to transfer healthcare professional licensing to the Department of Health.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa provided testimony on the executive budget, emphasizing the historic full funding of Foundation Aid and its role in providing sound, basic education. She discussed Foundation Aid as unrestricted operating aid tied to specific student categories (English language learners, students with disabilities, economically disadvantaged students) and explained state oversight mechanisms including district reporting requirements and monitoring of class sizes.
Assemblyman Otis elected_official neutral
New York State Assembly
Assemblyman Otis raised three topics: digital inclusion funding and gaps, Special Act school district financial stability and the need for direct state aid rather than school district funding, and mental health funding through direct aid rather than grants. He suggested that Special Act schools with different levels of financial insecurity need assessment mechanisms to determine direct funding needs.
Assemblyman Smullen elected_official supportive
New York State Assembly
Smullen, representing rural districts with multiple BOCES clusters and 26 school districts, raised concerns about the aidable salary cap for CTE in BOCES programs. He noted the $30,000 cap has been in place since 1990-1991 and calculated that inflation would suggest it should now be $65,000. He emphasized that workforce development is critical for rural areas experiencing labor shortages.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa testified on state education budget priorities. When questioned by Assemblywoman Woerner about the New York State Summer School for the Arts, Rosa acknowledged that funding had been requested for two consecutive years without success and committed to providing historical participation data and scholarship information.
David Banks agency_official informational
NYC Department of Education, Chancellor
Chancellor Banks provided comprehensive testimony on the DOE budget, addressing migrant student costs, class size implementation challenges, mental health initiatives including Project Pivot and Community Schools expansion, and the fiscal implications of charter school expansion. He emphasized the DOE's commitment to meeting the 180-day school year requirement and expanding Gifted & Talented programs across all districts.
David Banks agency_official informational
NYC Department of Education, Chancellor
Chancellor Banks discussed emerging challenges and opportunities in NYC schools, including artificial intelligence in education, literacy instruction reform, charter school collocations, pre-K programs, and federal stimulus funding. He emphasized the need for guardrails around AI tools like ChatGPT while acknowledging students access them outside school. He committed to phasing out whole-language and three-cueing approaches in favor of science-based reading instruction and pledged to make Diwali a school holiday if legislation removing Brooklyn-Queens Day passes.
Henry Rubio agency_official supportive
President, Council of School Supervisors and Administrators (CSSA); President, New York State Federation of School Administrators (NYSFSA)
Rubio praised the Governor's proposal to fully fund Foundation Aid and urged the Legislature to direct increases into the Fair Student Funding formula. He highlighted a 300 percent increase in principal retirements and resignations, noting that approximately 100 of 1,700 NYC schools lack an assistant principal. He emphasized the need for support to strengthen the assistant principal-to-principal pipeline and stressed the importance of having two leaders per school rather than principals working as 'Lone Rangers.'
Ms. Alford advocate supportive
United Federation of Teachers (UFT)
Alford discussed UFT's commitment to working with CUNY and SUNY to create pipelines for teacher apprenticeships directly in schools to accelerate classroom placement. She emphasized the need to expand the pool of social workers, particularly women of color, and highlighted the importance of maintaining Foundation Aid integrity while monitoring how dollars are actually used in classrooms.
Buffalo Superintendent Williams agency_official informational
Buffalo City Schools
Superintendent Williams outlined Buffalo's approach to balancing student safety with reduced suspensions through restorative practices, trauma-informed care training, increased school security officers, Evolv scanners, and enhanced social-emotional learning. She also discussed challenges with charter school facilities and the need for state-of-the-art buildings to retain students.
Kyle Belokopitsky advocate supportive
Executive Director, New York State Parent Teacher Association
Belokopitsky testified on behalf of 220,000 PTA members representing 2.6 million school children. She advocated for universal school meals, noting that 726,000 students lost meals when federal funding ended. She also called for increased funding for school-based mental health services beyond the proposed $10 million, citing a PTA survey identifying anxiety, depression, bullying, and suicidal ideation as major youth mental health issues. She opposed charter school expansion.
Sen. Jim Tedisco elected_official neutral
New York State Senate
Sen. Tedisco cited data from student surveys showing 81 percent anxiety and 62.16 percent bullying rates among students. He was interrupted by Chairwoman Krueger before completing his line of questioning.
Mr. Prime advocate opposed
School Librarians Association (implied)
Mr. Prime testified that current construction aid is insufficient to meet basic school library needs. He expressed concern about labor cost impacts from minimum wage increases and stated that library materials funding at $6.25 per pupil has remained flat since 2007 despite rising costs. He advocated for increasing library materials funding to $11 per pupil and opposed cuts to NOVEL database funding.
Rabbi Silber advocate opposed
Orthodox Jewish schools community
Rabbi Silber disputed New York Times characterizations of Orthodox Jewish schools, arguing that a $1 billion figure cited by the Times was misleading because it represented four years of funding, not one year. He defended schools' zero-tolerance corporal punishment policy, noting only a dozen allegations over five years compared to 16,000 complaints in public schools. He argued schools produce well-rounded citizens with high median incomes and low crime/drug use rates.
Megan Bates advocate supportive
School lunch director (Niskayuna)
Bates testified as both a school lunch director and parent about the critical need for increased funding for school meal programs. She emphasized that the state reimbursement rate for school meals has not been updated since 2007, while grocery costs have risen 11.8 percent since December 2021. She argued that without adequate funding, schools cannot afford to pay staff competitive wages or invest in programs like Farm-to-School, and that hungry students cannot learn effectively.
Michael Rebell advocate|academic supportive
AQE (Academic organization, exact name not fully stated)
Rebell presented a 25-page report proposing an ongoing standing commission to review school funding formulas rather than one-time assessments. He cited precedents from Oregon (15-20 years of operation with biennial reports), Illinois, and Maryland. He argued the commission should conduct thorough, zero-based analysis of current needs to meet constitutional requirements for sound basic education and could address emerging issues like migrant students or English language learners more quickly than current processes.
Assemblyman Michael Benedetto elected_official neutral
Chair, Assembly Education Committee
Benedetto questioned Commissioner Rosa on reading instruction methods, noting that New York State may be out of step with current brain research on reading pedagogy. He also asked about Regents exam reform rumors and expressed concern about chronic underfunding of special education schools (4201s and 4410s), noting they continually lose teachers and struggle financially.
NYSED CFO Phyllis Morris agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
CFO Morris explained the mechanics of Foundation Aid distribution, including statutory payment schedules and the Office of Education Finance's role. She detailed district reporting requirements on budgeted and actual expenses, and noted that districts must submit plans detailing use of Foundation Aid increases, which are published on the department's website.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa addressed digital inclusion, Special Act school funding, and cost analysis. She noted that the Executive Budget includes $2.5 million for tuition rate-setting reform but expressed concern that budget language would constrain methodology development responsive to Special Act provider needs. She referenced a cost analysis comparing expenses of sending students out versus creating programs within.
Sr. Dep. Commissioner Baldwin agency_official supportive
New York State Education Department
Baldwin, a former district superintendent, testified that the $30,000 salary cap on BOCES CTE programs is causing districts to avoid participation because aid is insufficient. He noted the Board of Regents has called for significant increases in BOCES aid and that the cap has been advocated for removal for years without success from prior administrations.
Executive Deputy Commissioner Cates-Williams agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Cates-Williams committed to providing Assemblywoman Woerner with historical data on the Summer School for the Arts from three years prior, including student participation numbers, scholarship percentages, and geographic distribution across the state.
Seritta Scott agency_official informational
NYC Department of Education, CFO
CFO Scott confirmed the $20 million in additional costs associated with migrant student services and clarified that these costs were not anticipated in the prior year's budget.
Emma Vadehra agency_official informational
NYC Department of Education, Chief Operating Officer
COO Vadehra provided detailed breakdown of NYC DOE's use of federal stimulus dollars. She testified that the largest stimulus investment is the 3-K program at $450 million for this year and next. Last year the DOE spent approximately $3 billion in stimulus funds; this year approximately $2 billion; and next year approximately $1 billion. Other major stimulus-funded programs include Community Schools, Summer Rising, special education recovery services, arts funding, and Project Pivot.
Cindy Gallagher agency_official supportive
Director, School Administrators Association of New York State (SAANYS)
Gallagher testified on behalf of 14,000 building administrators across New York State. She praised the Governor's Foundation Aid proposal and highlighted the importance of mental health and school safety initiatives in the budget, including $10 million for school-based health clinics and $10 million in grants. She expressed concerns about lack of professional development funding for administrators and noted that 62 percent of building administrators statewide anticipate leaving within five years.
Mr. Rubio advocate supportive
Supervisors of Social Workers
Rubio agreed with the need to expand the pool of social workers, particularly women of color. He advocated for flexibility in how districts use tutoring funds, arguing that schools need discretion to serve the whole child through various programs including clubs, sports, arts, music, internships, and mental health services, not just tutoring.
Dr. Bernadette Kappen advocate supportive
4201 Schools Association
Dr. Kappen requested rejection of the Governor's proposal to eliminate $2 million in funding and asked for a 6 percent increase in direct support. She emphasized the need for salary increases to compete with public schools, noting teachers can earn $15,000-$20,000 more elsewhere. She requested $30 million over three years for workforce investment and discussed the need for fund balance reserves and capital improvements for aging facilities.
Brian Fessler advocate supportive
State School Boards Association
Fessler thanked the Legislature for committing to full Foundation Aid funding but raised concerns that nearly 250 districts are limited to a 3 percent minimum increase despite high inflation and property tax caps. He advocated for a tiered approach favoring high-need, low-wealth districts, called for a deliberative process to plan Foundation Aid's future, and requested restoration of $20 million in annual funding for prior-year aid claims. He opposed extending school-level budget reporting requirements and supported universal school meals and BOCES reforms.
Assemblyman Manktelow elected_official skeptical
New York State Assembly
Assemblyman Manktelow raised concerns about the electric school bus mandate, questioning the market for used diesel buses, the lack of rural pilot programs, and infrastructure challenges including fire suppression requirements for lithium-ion batteries in enclosed bus facilities. He advocated for testing the technology in rural areas before statewide implementation.
Ms. Lidie advocate supportive
Community Schools advocate organization (implied)
Ms. Lidie testified in support of Community Schools, advocating for a separate, dedicated funding stream of $100 million in addition to maintaining the existing $250 million set-aside. She explained that Community Schools coordinate services and resources to meet specific student and community needs, allowing all students to thrive.
Ms. Altfield advocate supportive
Orthodox Jewish schools community
Ms. Altfield testified about STEM reimbursement and arts/music programs that require qualified teachers, arguing these programs demonstrate that Orthodox Jewish schools are improving secular education offerings. She stated schools must hire qualified teachers and offer rigorous secular education to receive this funding, contradicting claims that schools receive money without providing quality education.
Ms. Pino-Goodspeed agency_official informational
Child Nutrition (New York State Education Department)
Pino-Goodspeed provided technical information about the Community Eligibility Provision (CEP) for school meals. She reported that almost 92 percent of eligible schools are participating in CEP, with about 300 schools statewide remaining eligible but not participating due to inability to afford local cost-sharing. She explained the federal reimbursement structure and noted that rural schools face particular challenges in sustaining programs.
Ms. Wisdom advocate supportive
Not specified in transcript
Wisdom testified about a proposal for annual attestation documents from nonpublic schools to the State Education Department to verify compliance with Law 3204 and new regulations. She noted this may become unnecessary once new regulatory processes fully take effect, but expressed concern for students in these schools over the next two years during the transition period.
Senator Shelley B. Mayer elected_official supportive
Chair, Senate Education Committee
Sen. Mayer praised the Legislature's work on fully funding Foundation Aid (now in its third year) and asked how this translates to student outcomes. She raised concerns about implementation delays in the RECOVS mental health program, asking why funds approved in the previous budget had not reached schools. She also questioned barriers to districts adopting full-day pre-K for 4-year-olds, noting significant dollars left on the table.
Executive Deputy Commissioner Cates-Williams agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Deputy Commissioner Cates-Williams addressed questions about NOVEL database funding and credentialing issues. She explained that NOVEL is funded by federal grant dollars to the State Library and that the department advanced a priority budget request to increase fees for the cultural fund account to stabilize and expand database access.
Executive Deputy Commissioner Cates-Williams agency_official supportive
New York State Education Department
Cates-Williams affirmed the department's desire to pursue additional digital inclusion funding and programming through the State Library system.
Senator Chu elected_official neutral
New York State Senate
Sen. Chu raised concerns about library funding, noting that districts have received only $6.25 per pupil in reimbursement for 16 years with no increase. She asked about prioritization between printed and digital materials, particularly given increased digital needs during the pandemic, and requested specific data on current allocations.
Chancellor David Banks agency_official informational
New York City Department of Education
Chancellor Banks presented comprehensive testimony on NYC Public Schools' strategic priorities under four pillars: reimagining student experience through Pathways Initiative, scaling proven programs for students with disabilities ($205 million investment), prioritizing wellness and school safety through Project Pivot, and engaging families as partners. He highlighted dyslexia screening and literacy initiatives, enrollment recovery efforts, and Fair Student Funding formula changes including weights for students in temporary housing.
Emma Vadehra agency_official informational
NYC Department of Education, COO
COO Vadehra explained charter school funding mechanisms, clarifying that charters are funded bimonthly based on enrollment and lose funding when students leave. She also provided additional detail on the $80 million in per-pupil allocations for migrant students beyond the $20 million in supplemental funding.
Andy Pallotta advocate supportive
New York State United Teachers (NYSUT), President
NYSUT President Pallotta expressed strong support for the Governor's Foundation Aid proposal but opposed charter school expansion. He cited Hart Research polling showing New York voters do not support charter expansion. He presented data showing 21 school districts with over 5% charter enrollment saw payments increase by $1.2 billion in five years, with 60% of Foundation Aid increases going to charter school payments. He advocated for Community Schools, universal meals programs, teacher centers, literacy expansion, vocational programs, teacher shortage solutions, and class size reduction.
Karen Alford advocate supportive
United Federation of Teachers (UFT)
Alford testified on behalf of the UFT regarding Community Schools, describing them as a 'value-add' that address barriers to student learning through wraparound services. She cited examples of community closets, laundry cards, and food pantries that help families. She also expressed concerns about 'zombie charter schools' and noted that $153 million were diverted from schools due to facilities charges. She emphasized the need for equity and transparency in charter school expansion.
Ms. Gallagher advocate neutral
Not explicitly stated
Gallagher discussed concerns about multiple grant strands in the budget, noting that while grants are effective, receiving funding through 7, 15, or 25 different grant streams creates implementation confusion. She raised concerns that carving out Community Schools funding from Foundation Aid could undermine the accomplishment of full Foundation Aid phase-in, though acknowledged multiple perspectives exist on this issue.
Dr. Ed Placke advocate supportive
New York State Coalition of 853 Schools (853 Coalition), Executive Director of Green Chimneys
Dr. Placke testified on behalf of approximately 60 schools serving students with significant mental health and behavioral issues. He emphasized that the tuition rate-setting methodology has been broken for nearly 20 years and praised the Governor's $2.5 million proposal to study alternatives. He requested a 12.1 percent COLA and highlighted workforce challenges, noting 25 percent of 853 schools cannot find certified teachers, social workers, and clinicians. He also discussed reconciliation delays and fiscal peril facing schools.
Dan White agency_official supportive
District Superintendent, Monroe 1 BOCES
White testified on behalf of 37 BOCES in New York State representing 700 member districts. He highlighted critical workforce shortages in mental health and education, advocated for aidability reform for career and technical education (noting $10 million in grant funding does not address all needs), and expressed strong support for continuing full funding of free and reduced lunch programs. He noted BOCES instructors work 7.5 hours per day and average $67,000 annually.
David Little agency_official neutral
School district official (specific district not stated)
Mr. Little acknowledged uncertainty about markets for used buses and agreed that pilot programs would be helpful. He noted that a bus company declined to provide trial information at a summer conference and that NYSERDA is supposed to assist school districts with the transition.
Mr. Vallone industry opposed
School bus operators/transportation industry
Mr. Vallone testified about challenges with the electric school bus transition mandate. He stated that a 10 percent annual replacement schedule is typical, making the 2027-2035 timeline aggressive. He emphasized the need for contract modification flexibility to accommodate price changes and warned that workforce attrition from operator changes could create insurmountable challenges.
Chairwoman Krueger elected_official skeptical
New York State Senate
Chairwoman Krueger raised concerns about special education funding fraud, noting that NYC Board of Education stopped doing business with 20 firms affiliated with special education funds to yeshivas. She questioned whether public money should be returned and asked if any firms were affiliated with Agudath Israel.
Patrick Kenneally advocate supportive
School nutrition director (shared across four school districts)
Kenneally, a chef-turned-nutrition director, testified about the challenges of improving school meal quality and presentation. He explained that administrative burden from meal debt collection prevents him from spending time on scratch cooking and developing relationships with New York State vendors. He advocated for reducing administrative burden so directors can focus on improving meal quality and Farm-to-School programs.
Ms. Jayaram advocate supportive
Not specified in transcript
Jayaram testified in support of the Solutions Not Suspensions bill, which would require charter schools to follow the same discipline and suspension rules as New York State law. She noted that data on charter school discipline practices is unavailable, making transparency a critical issue. She cited hearing from parents that children with disabilities are being pushed out of charter schools but acknowledged the lack of concrete data.
Assemblywoman Carrie Woerner elected_official opposed
Chair, Assembly Committee on Libraries and Education Technology
Assemblywoman Woerner questioned the $3.5 million decrease in aid to public libraries proposed in the Executive Budget, noting that library funding is $6 million below its 2008 peak. She asked about the department's proposal to increase mortgage recording fees by $10 per transaction to support libraries and the Cultural Education fund. She also questioned the zeroing out of funding for the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture and the Langston Hughes Community Library.
Senior Deputy Commissioner Baldwin agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Deputy Commissioner Baldwin discussed the Board of Regents' goal to provide access to career and technical education programs to all students by 2030. She explained the proposed College Credit and Career Opportunity Program, which would combine P-TECH and Early College High School funding to allow districts and BOCES to propose region-specific programs. She noted mixed results and attrition issues in existing P-TECH programs, particularly in Year 4.
NYSED CFO Phyllis Morris agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
CFO Morris explained the department's long-standing advocacy for tuition rate-setting reform and noted the $2.5 million appropriation in the Executive Budget. She highlighted concerns that budget language constraints would limit methodology development for Special Acts with unique challenges.
NYSED CFO Morris agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
CFO Morris responded to Sen. Chu's library funding questions, noting that the Regents' proposal includes an increase in instructional materials aid that would require statutory change and index amounts to inflation. She committed to providing specific data on digital versus printed material allocations.
First Deputy Chancellor Dan Weisberg agency_official informational
New York City Department of Education
Weisberg addressed questions about compensatory services for students with disabilities and dyslexia training. He committed to providing information about communication plans to families regarding new IEP sections and compensatory services availability, noting the issue is subject to active litigation.
Dan Weisberg agency_official informational
NYC Department of Education, First Deputy Chancellor
First Deputy Chancellor Weisberg addressed questions about stimulus funding for social workers and teacher recruitment initiatives, noting that a funding cliff is approaching as stimulus money expires and that the DOE has not yet identified replacement funding sources.
Karen Alford advocate opposed
United Federation of Teachers (UFT), Vice President for Elementary Schools and Executive Director of United Community Schools
UFT Vice President Alford praised Foundation Aid funding and class size legislation but expressed deep concern about charter school proposals. She called for closing loopholes that allow one charter authorization to result in three schools, lifting the geographic cap, and making the Board of Regents the sole charter authorizer. She advocated for Community Schools as an alternative path, citing that United Community Schools serves over 20,000 students with a six-to-one return on investment. She also promoted UFT Teacher Centers and Positive Learning Collaborative as alternatives to charter expansion.
Andy Pallotta advocate opposed
President, New York State United Teachers (NYSUT)
Pallotta testified against charter school expansion, citing specific examples where charter school payments exceed Foundation Aid increases in districts like Green Island, Menands, and Watervliet. He criticized the SUNY Charter Institute for overriding local community opposition to charter schools. He emphasized the need for social workers in schools and expressed concerns about the educator pipeline, noting that one-third of educators are near retirement age and that Tier 6 pension changes have made the profession less attractive.
Mr. Pallotta advocate supportive
New York State United Teachers (NYSUT)
Pallotta advocated for Community Schools funding to remain separate from general Foundation Aid to ensure it is actually used for Community Schools programs. He cited the RECOV grant as an example of a monumental program that has not worked because the RFP has not been released. He also discussed the urgent need to address teacher shortages in 4201 special schools through initiatives like Take a Look at Teaching.
Randi Levine advocate supportive
Advocates for Children of New York
Ms. Levine expressed support for Foundation Aid implementation and made several recommendations: expand high-impact tutoring to grades K-12 (not just 3-8), eliminate the cost-neutral requirement for the tuition rate study, increase investments in English language learner programs by $1 million, increase mental health support by $100 million, pass the Solutions Not Suspensions Act, reject charter school cap expansion, and plan for sustainability of federal COVID relief funding expiring in fall 2024.
Dave Little advocate neutral
Rural Schools Association
Little cautioned that full Foundation Aid funding is undermined if directed categorical funds are used, as this violates the principle of unrestricted aid. He noted that wealthy districts are receiving larger percentage increases (citing one Westchester district receiving 52 percent) while high-need rural districts receive the minimum 3 percent. He urged legislators to begin work now on updating the Foundation Aid formula to prevent defaulting to inequitable across-the-board allocations. He advocated for regional high schools to provide advanced curricula to rural students, noting three-quarters of rural high school graduates never pursue advanced degrees.
Ms. Belokopitsky agency_official supportive
School district official, Eastern Rensselaer County
Ms. Belokopitsky expressed support for the electric bus transition for children's health but raised concerns about feasibility in rural areas. She cited her district's experience with a student spending 2 hours 20 minutes daily on buses in extreme cold and mountainous terrain, and expressed concern about lithium-ion battery fire risks.
Mr. Christopher industry opposed
School bus operators/transportation industry
Mr. Christopher testified that school districts operating electric buses have increased their fleets due to dependability issues, with a reported 20 percent increase in some cases due to charging and cold weather problems. He cited infrastructure costs and emphasized the need to begin planning immediately for the electric bus transition.
Yomika Bennett advocate supportive
New York Charter School Association
Ms. Bennett testified in support of Governor Hochul's proposal to remove the regional cap on charter schools and permanently authorize charter reissuance. She called for increased per-pupil funding for charter schools to match district levels, facility and transportation funding, equal access to state programs, and a $200 million Education Equity Fund to support charter school founders from historically disadvantaged communities. She framed charter school expansion as a civil rights issue.
Michael Rebell academic supportive
Center for Educational Equity at Teachers College, Columbia University; former counsel in CFE litigation
Rebell testified about the need to update the Foundation Aid formula, which he characterized as 'totally out of date.' He noted the formula was written in 2006 and still uses 2000 Census data for poverty calculations. He called for a permanent standing commission to conduct a thorough, zero-based reanalysis of education funding needs, arguing this is legally required by the Court of Appeals and necessary to address current challenges including homelessness and pandemic impacts.
Ms. Gripper advocate opposed
Not specified in transcript
Gripper testified about methods used to generate profits from nonprofit charter schools in New York State despite the prohibition on for-profit charters. She described two mechanisms: board members renting buildings they own to charter schools at above-market rates, and charter schools contracting with for-profit management companies that charge per-pupil fees. She cited an example from Albany.
Senator Weik elected_official neutral
New York State Senate
Senator Weik raised concerns about declining literacy and reading comprehension in New York State compared to neighboring states like Massachusetts and New Jersey. She cited statistics that dyslexia affects 20 percent of the population and represents 80-90 percent of learning disabilities. She asked what can be done to improve reading outcomes and noted that many struggling students are never diagnosed.
Assemblywoman Jackson elected_official skeptical
New York State Assembly
Jackson expressed concern that despite increased funding, Black and brown students continue to graduate at lower rates than Asian and white counterparts. She questioned what specific plan exists to address disparities and how much funding would be needed for these students to catch up.
Seritta Scott agency_official informational
New York City Department of Education, Chief Financial Officer
CFO Scott provided budget figures in response to Senator Mayer's questions about charter school costs and rent expenses.
Executive Director Pyle advocate neutral
Conference of Big 5 School Districts
Pyle declined to provide oral testimony, noting that written testimony had been submitted and distributed to members. He deferred speaking time to allow other panelists more opportunity to present.
Robert Lowry advocate supportive
New York State Council of School Superintendents
Mr. Lowry testified on behalf of superintendents, expressing gratitude for Foundation Aid funding while requesting expansion beyond the 3 percent minimum increase. He cited survey data showing 82 percent of superintendents plan to improve mental health services and 79 percent will improve academic help. He opposed the proposed set-aside requirement for high-impact tutoring, supported increases in CTE funding, and called for updating the Foundation Aid formula.
Bob Lowry academic informational
Not explicitly stated; appears to be education finance expert
Lowry provided technical analysis on Foundation Aid funding. He stated the current 3 percent minimum costs $51 million and that a scaled increase of 2-3 percent would cost less than $50 million additional (approximately 0.2 percent of total Foundation Aid). He supported the State Education Department leading Foundation Aid formula research and noted SED made pivotal contributions 15-20 years ago in developing the original formula. He discussed cybersecurity as an emerging budget concern for superintendents and mentioned the Environmental Bond Act's $500 million allocation for zero-emission school buses.
Chairwoman Krueger elected_official supportive
New York State Senate Finance Committee
Chairwoman Krueger provided context supporting the electric bus mandate, noting that 551 electric buses are already operating in winter climates including Alaska and Minnesota, that average school bus routes are 63 miles per day while current buses have 150-mile range, and that the state has until 2035 for implementation. She emphasized that technology will improve and the mandate creates market demand.
Ms. Altfield advocate supportive
Teach NYS
Ms. Altfield testified on behalf of 380,000 nonpublic school students (approximately 15 percent of state enrollment) attending around 1,700 schools. She requested: (1) support for the Governor's $70 million STEM reimbursement program allocation; (2) a new $5 million pot for arts and music programs; and (3) full support for universal free lunch. She noted that the $58 million STEM program was fully exhausted annually with 1,800 applications.
Nakia Franklin public supportive
New York State Charter Parent Council, parent at Elmwood Village Charter School, Buffalo
Ms. Franklin testified as a charter school parent and community association treasurer, praising her son's experience at Elmwood Village Charter School where classrooms have two to three teachers with no more than 26 children. She highlighted transportation issues in Western New York, lack of access to BOCES programs, and argued that charter schools provide important educational diversity and choice, particularly for families in lower-income areas.
Jasmine Gripper advocate supportive
Alliance for Quality Education (AQE)
Gripper testified in support of fully funding the Foundation Aid formula and called for updating it. She highlighted disparities in how Foundation Aid increases are distributed, noting that in New York City, charter schools received $200 million of the $348 million Foundation Aid increase despite serving only 14 percent of students. She criticized charter schools for not supporting the Foundation Aid fight and called for a new costing-out study.
Mr. Papageorgiou advocate informational
Not specified in transcript
Papageorgiou provided testimony regarding the City Department of Education's responsibility to assess and make things right, though the specific details of his testimony are not fully captured in the transcript excerpt provided.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa acknowledged New York's larger population of English Language Learner (ELL) students compared to Massachusetts and other states. She emphasized the importance of early identification and screening, noting that some districts do better than others. She stressed the need to focus on prevention rather than waiting for identification to provide services, and highlighted the importance of brain research in understanding how students learn.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa responded to Jackson's concerns about racial disparities by discussing the Community Schools model, which she described as supporting families and communities, not just children. She emphasized the need for intentional, targeted funding through a new Foundation Aid formula rather than general investments.
Dr. Edwin Quezada elected_official supportive
Yonkers Public Schools, Superintendent
Quezada highlighted Yonkers' success as the most successful large urban school district in the state, with graduation rates over 85% (91% in past three years) and dropout rates declining from 4% to 2%. He detailed how federal ARPA funding enabled hiring of 221 certified support staff positions for essential programs. He presented 11 solutions to address the impending funding cliff, highlighting four: $40 million additional Foundation Aid over two years, increase video lottery appropriation from $19.6M to $31.6M, fully fund universal pre-K, and address $520 million in infrastructure repairs.
Assemblyman Ra elected_official skeptical
New York State Assembly
Assemblyman Ra questioned the high-impact tutoring set-aside requirement, noting that it ties the hands of school districts and creates challenges for rural and poorer communities in finding qualified tutors. He sought elaboration on concerns about the proposal.
Mr. Cultrara advocate opposed
New York State Catholic School Superintendents
Mr. Cultrara testified that while Catholic schools appreciate existing state support programs, the greatest need is tuition assistance for families. He opposed the Governor's proposal to raise the charter school cap absent help for tuition-paying families, citing historical data showing Catholic school closures correlating with charter school openings. He noted Catholic school enrollment has declined from 845 schools 25 years ago to fewer than 420 schools today, with fewer than 200,000 students.
James Merriman advocate supportive
New York City Charter School Center
Mr. Merriman testified in support of Governor Hochul's proposals to eliminate the geographic subcap while keeping the state cap at 460 and allow previously revoked charters to be reissued. He argued there would be little fiscal impact on NYC DOE's budget because charter schools are funded at a fraction of what NYC DOE spends per pupil. He projected only five schools with 100 students each would open by 2024-25, resulting in approximately $5 million total impact. He noted charter school funding increases at 3.3 percent compared to Foundation Aid increases of 12 percent.
Ms. Wisdom advocate supportive
YAFFED (Young Advocates for Fair Education)
Wisdom testified on behalf of YAFFED, an organization founded 12 years ago to ensure nonpublic schools comply with New York Education Law 3204, which requires substantially equivalent education to public schools. She noted that new regulations are underway but will take two years to implement. She called for an attestation requirement for nonpublic schools receiving state aid to declare compliance with the law.
Assemblyman Pirozzolo elected_official supportive
New York State Assembly
Assemblyman Pirozzolo, a former CEC president and parent, argued that charter schools save lives, particularly for minority, immigrant, and low-income communities. He cited a statistic that 95 percent of students in some schools don't meet state standards and questioned why charter schools cannot be opened as needed given the cap. He expressed frustration with the current system.
Chairwoman Krueger elected_official neutral
New York State Senate
Chairwoman Krueger raised concerns about new migrant children arriving in New York, particularly in Midtown Manhattan schools, and asked how funding mechanisms can flexibly address rapid enrollment increases. She also questioned the Executive Budget's proposed reduction in fiscal monitor funding.
Tonja Williams elected_official opposed
Buffalo Public Schools, Superintendent
Williams testified that Buffalo is the second-largest school district in New York State, representing 30,000 children, 60,000+ parents, and 10,000 staff. She expressed concern about charter school saturation, noting that 28% of school-aged children in Buffalo are enrolled in charter schools, and that Buffalo spent $143 million on charter schools last year. She criticized charter schools for lacking equity, transparency, and demonstrated achievement outcomes, and noted a pattern of mass midyear exodus of students from charters back to public schools.
Mr. Lowry agency_official opposed
School district official or superintendent organization
Mr. Lowry testified that while districts have prioritized academic help, they face challenges finding qualified staff and have other pressing needs like raising bus driver pay. He cited a survey showing 79 percent of superintendents believe their budgets would improve with extra academic help, but noted that mandatory spending requirements prevent districts from addressing other priorities and could create tax cap issues.
Rabbi Silber advocate supportive
Agudath Israel
Rabbi Silber testified on behalf of nonpublic schools, noting they represent 15 percent of enrollment but receive less than 2 percent of education funding. He requested: (1) increase MSA and CAP funding from $193 million to $210 million (SED's estimate); (2) removal of budget language limiting state liability for mandated services; (3) increased NPSE security funding; and (4) support for universal free lunch. He also addressed concerns about yeshiva secular education compliance.
Patrick Kenneally agency_official supportive
New York State School Nutrition Association, school lunch director
Mr. Kenneally testified about the impact of ending federal pandemic meal waivers on schools and students. He described how schools lost the ability to offer free meals to all students, creating student meal debt issues. He cited a small rural school district with 880 students facing $18,000 in student debt. He highlighted that families of four making $51,400 do not qualify for free meals, forcing families to choose between food, transportation, and school lunch bills. He advocated for a universal meal program in New York State.
Amshula Jayaram advocate supportive
Solutions Not Suspensions Coalition
Jayaram testified in support of the Solutions Not Suspensions Act, now in its eighth legislative cycle. She cited data showing that students lost 913,811 days to suspensions in the past year, with an average of 766 students suspended daily. She noted that suspensions disproportionately affect Black, brown, disabled, and low-income students, and that even a single suspension increases dropout likelihood by 23 percent.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official skeptical
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa acknowledged the charter school debate and noted that a cap exists by law. She stated that while some charter schools are excellent, others have been closed. She raised structural concerns: some charter schools operate like private schools, have return policies unlike public schools, lack financial transparency, and often don't serve proportional numbers of special education and ELL students. She noted that charter schools are concentrated in communities of color and questioned why they aren't embraced in other communities if they're such a successful model.
NYSED CFO Morris agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
CFO Morris explained the Regents' proposal for enrollment adjustment aid, which would allow districts to receive current-year funding for new students rather than waiting a year. She also confirmed that the Executive Budget would eliminate state funding for fiscal monitors in four districts (Wyandanch, Hempstead, Rochester, East Ramapo), shifting costs to localities.
Dr. Carmine Peluso elected_official opposed
Rochester City School District, Superintendent
Peluso testified that Rochester is one of the highest-needs school districts in New York State. He expressed concern about charter school saturation, noting that approximately 7,400 students (25% of public school students) attend charter schools, and that Rochester will pay out more than $100 million in charter school tuition and associated costs in 2022-23. He requested reinstatement of $1.2 million Rochester School Health Service Grant funds removed from the Governor's budget and urged limiting charter school expansion.
Max Prime advocate opposed
New York Library Association, Director of Government Relations and Advocacy
Mr. Prime testified that the proposed library funding represents a $3.5 million reduction in State Library Aid and a $20 million cut to the State Library Construction Program. He requested $147.1 million in State Library Aid, $69.4 million for construction, and $11 per pupil for library materials aid. He noted that over 50 percent of public libraries are 60+ years old and that library materials aid has only increased $4.25 since 1994, remaining at $6.25 since 2007.
Jessica Pino-Goodspeed advocate supportive
Healthy School Meals for All New York State Kids Coalition
Ms. Pino-Goodspeed testified on behalf of a coalition of over 250 anti-hunger, education, health, agriculture, labor, and equity-focused organizations advocating for a permanent, statewide free school meals program. She reported that 726,000 kids across New York lost access to free school meals when federal pandemic waivers expired. She noted that about 2,000 schools reverted to needs-testing and cited research showing school meals improve attendance, reduce tardiness, and improve test scores in spelling, reading, and math.
Ashara Baker advocate supportive
National Parents Union (New York State director); cofounder of New York State Charter Parent Council
Baker, a charter school parent from Rochester, testified in support of charter schools and called for equitable funding. She argued that charter schools serve as an option for families seeking quality education not based on zip code. She criticized the New York State public education system for being in 'dire need of change' and called for investment in career pathways, literacy, and math initiatives.
Senator Martinez elected_official neutral
New York State Senate
Senator Martinez, a former educator and DASA coordinator, asked about follow-up actions after schools report bullying, intimidation, and discrimination. She shared a personal anecdote about meeting with a parent whose daughter died by suicide due to bullying, noting that DASA reporting appeared flawed. She asked what resources the department provides to schools to address these issues.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa discussed the impact of rapid student enrollment increases, citing examples from Hurricane Maria and Rochester where districts couldn't access funding upfront. She emphasized that the funding formula must address influx situations and noted that East Ramapo has two monitors with veto power due to serious concerns.
Anthony Davis elected_official supportive
Syracuse City School District, Superintendent
Davis, newly appointed superintendent, expressed gratitude for the Legislature's commitment to funding public education and noted Syracuse is on track for academic recovery and success. He highlighted the impending funding cliff when federal stimulus funds expire, noting the district will need to secure new sources to continue $41 million worth of programs and supports. He requested flexibility in Foundation Aid use, removal of restrictions on tutoring and Community Schools, funding for ninth-grade CTE programs, continuation of retiree income cap waiver, and expansion of alternative teacher certification.
Dr. Amy DelCorvo advocate supportive
New York State Association for Computers and Technologies in Education (NYSCATE), CEO and Executive Director
Dr. DelCorvo testified about NYSCATE's successful online professional development program funded by federal CARES Act money. The program developed 40 courses, engaged over 40,000 educators, and awarded 106,000 CTLE credit hours at no charge before funding ended in October 2022. She requested $2 million in ongoing funding to continue the program for all educators statewide.
Nikos Papageorgiou public opposed
Individual parent (New York City)
Papageorgiou, father of a high school senior and middle school student in NYC public schools, testified that families are 'not getting our money's worth' from the NYC Department of Education. He criticized the DOE for lowering academic ceilings instead of raising floors, limiting accelerated learning, and lacking objective measures of academic success. He called for uniform educational planning based on excellence and better tracking of individual student progress.
Senior Deputy Commissioner Baldwin agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Senior Deputy Commissioner Baldwin described the department's office focused on student behavior issues, which provides training, technical assistance, and resources to schools. He referenced the Regents' policy on diversity, equity and inclusion and the culturally responsive and sustaining education framework. He noted that DASA data is compiled and informs decision-making, including a recent school safety and discipline committee. He acknowledged that suspension use is disproportionate and has not changed over an extended period.
Chairwoman Krueger elected_official neutral
New York State Senate
Krueger asked about library capital funding, noting that close to one in five libraries lack ADA accessibility. She cited a $1.5 billion statewide need for public library construction and questioned the Executive Budget's proposed reduction from $34 million to $14 million.
Nicholas Vallone industry opposed
Rolling V Bus Corp., Executive Vice President; New York School Bus Contractors Association, Acting President
Mr. Vallone testified that private school bus contractors operate 85 percent of New York's districts with 50,000 drivers, aides, and mechanics. He identified two barriers to electric bus adoption: grid capacity and cost (electric buses cost roughly three times more than diesel). He requested contract modification authority and elimination of sales tax on private contractors, noting that available funds of almost $1 billion can only replace 6 percent of the fleet.
Assemblywoman Mary Beth Walsh elected_official neutral
New York State Assembly
Assemblywoman Walsh asked about the temporary professional permit proposal from last year's budget to address teacher shortages. She inquired whether the department would revisit this proposal and asked about improvements to the teacher certification process.
NYSED CFO Morris agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
CFO Morris confirmed the library capital funding figures and noted that the Regents have proposed $45 million for library capital funding, emphasizing the need for ADA accessibility improvements.
David Christopher advocate opposed
New York Association for Pupil Transportation (NYAPT), Executive Director
Mr. Christopher testified on behalf of 700+ NYAPT members, supporting removal of earnings caps for retirees to address bus driver shortage. He opposed the electric bus mandate timeline as unrealistic, citing infrastructure and technology gaps. He noted electric buses cost $400,000-$450,000 versus $125,000 for diesel, and that available grant/rebate funding of $800 million falls short. He requested pilot programs and criticized the 12-year amortization schedule for electric buses.
Senior Deputy Commissioner Baldwin agency_official opposed
New York State Education Department
Senior Deputy Commissioner Baldwin stated the department opposed the temporary professional permit provision last year because it would create more difficulties than it would address. He described significant adjustments made to teacher certification requirements that have been approved by the Board of Regents. He noted the department received a $1.3 million appropriation last year to invest in a new call system and customer management system for the Office of Teaching Initiatives. He acknowledged that remaining improvements depend on IT resources.
Assemblyman Kim elected_official opposed
New York State Assembly
Kim expressed opposition to the Executive Budget's proposal to expand charter schools and eliminate regional caps. He cited a Times Union article documenting approximately 1,600 students subjected to corporal punishment over five years and called for forensic audits of charter school accounting and more granular data on corporal punishment complaints.
Alli Lidie advocate supportive
New York State Community Schools Network
Ms. Lidie testified about the Community Schools strategy, which coordinates community resources to meet student needs. She cited data showing the strategy increases attendance, reduces disciplinary incidents, and improves test scores with returns of up to $20 for every $1 invested. She requested $1 million increase for Technical Assistance Centers and $100 million in categorical aid to expand Community Schools statewide, plus maintenance of $250 million in set-aside funding.
Senior Deputy Commissioner Baldwin agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Baldwin described the department's P-TEACH program proposal for early college high schools to create pathways for high school students interested in teaching. He noted that the Division of Budget and Executive Chamber refused to include P-TEACH in the current year P-TECH RFP, but the department is advancing a departmental bill to address this.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa acknowledged the corporal punishment issue, noting that SED has linked it to restraint, isolation, and seclusion issues. She stated that SED is addressing the issue and can share data, but emphasized the need for action beyond data collection.
Sen. Shelley Mayer elected_official neutral
New York State Senate
Sen. Mayer asked bus transportation officials about additional strategies to encourage school bus driver recruitment beyond existing initiatives. She also asked Ms. Lidie about support for moving after-school funding from administration to OCFS.
Senator Oberacker elected_official neutral
New York State Senate
Senator Oberacker, representing the 51st Senate District spanning seven counties and nearly 70 school districts, asked about data on which schools are most in need regarding teacher shortages and retention. He offered his district as a potential test site for grant programs.
Senator Liu elected_official skeptical
New York State Senate
Sen. Liu asked Commissioner Rosa to expand on her earlier statement that SED cannot get financial disclosures from charter schools. He sought clarification on whether this is information SED wants but charter schools refuse to provide, or whether the law doesn't require disclosure. He indicated the Senate may need to clarify charter school disclosure laws.
Assemblywoman Woerner elected_official neutral
New York State Assembly, Chair of Libraries Committee
Assemblywoman Woerner asked Mr. Prime about the cost of increasing Instructional Materials Aid to $11 per student and asked Mr. Vallone about modeling for power capacity needs at bus garages for electric bus charging.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa discussed teacher pipeline issues, noting they have existed for a while but were exacerbated by the pandemic. She described strategies including 'grow your own' programs, developing paraprofessionals, relaxing rules to reduce certification costs, and allowing student teachers to work part-time. She emphasized the importance of stakeholder conversations in rural and urban settings.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official neutral
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa clarified that the issue is what the law requires to be disclosed, not that charter schools are refusing to provide information. She agreed that the law may need clarification to give SED better monitoring capabilities.
Sen. Chu elected_official neutral
New York State Senate
Sen. Chu asked Mr. Prime about the average age of library buildings statewide and the role libraries played during the pandemic in providing telehealth access and broadband connectivity. She asked about current infrastructure capacity to handle these needs.
Assemblywoman Simon elected_official neutral
New York State Assembly
Assemblywoman Simon focused on reading instruction, noting that the Executive Budget contains no proposal to address reading. She emphasized that brain science shows children need explicit, sequential, language-based reading instruction. She asked for a cost estimate to provide professional development to K-3 teachers in science-based reading instruction.
Assemblyman Chang elected_official neutral
New York State Assembly
Chang asked about measurement procedures and performance metrics for the Executive Budget's proposed $250 million for high-impact tutoring. He also asked about parental involvement in decision-making for high and low-performing schools.
Assemblyman Slater elected_official supportive
New York State Assembly
Assemblyman Slater advocated for library funding, noting his community library dates to the Civil War with last renovation before the internet existed. He asked about impacts of construction aid cuts and the status of the NOVEL program for school librarians.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official supportive
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa affirmed commitment to dyslexia, brain research, and science-based reading strategies. She noted that effective strategies work for English language learners, special needs students, general education students, and ELL students. She acknowledged the need for both professional development and screening/assessment components.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official skeptical
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa responded that the $250 million tutoring proposal is not new; schools are already conducting tutoring with federal funding. She noted that after-school transportation challenges may prevent some students from accessing tutoring and that the proposal diverts existing funds rather than providing new resources.
Sen. Murray elected_official supportive
New York State Senate
Sen. Murray asked Mr. Prime about the number of library systems and individual libraries statewide, how aid is distributed, and the impact of construction aid cuts. He cited his district's new library branch opening with 2,500 people on opening day.
Senator Stec elected_official skeptical
New York State Senate
Senator Stec, representing the North Country with large rural districts, raised concerns about the state mandate requiring all new buses purchased in 2027 to be zero-emission. He cited estimates of $8-15 billion cost to taxpayers with only $800 million available from state and federal resources, meaning 90 percent of costs fall to local taxpayers. He noted that electric buses perform differently in extreme cold (20 below zero) and that electric providers say the grid cannot handle the mandate.
Sr. Dep. Commissioner Baldwin agency_official opposed
New York State Education Department
Deputy Commissioner Baldwin stated that the $250 million tutoring set-aside creates an unnecessary diversion of funds and that districts should have flexibility to use Foundation Aid as they see fit to respond to local needs.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official neutral
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa acknowledged deep conversations with the Governor's office about the zero-emission bus mandate, noting it was raised at the Rural Conference. She identified multiple concerns: cost (three times current investment), electrical grid issues, distances buses travel, and lack of planning for districts. She stated this is an issue keeping the department up at night and invited Senator Stec to future conversations.
Assemblywoman Bichotte Hermelyn elected_official opposed
New York State Assembly
Bichotte Hermelyn expressed strong opposition to the Executive Budget's proposal to eliminate the regional charter school cap and permanently authorize all charter schools. She argued this dismantles the public school system and increases segregation. She noted that only 6 percent of charter schools are Black and brown-founded and questioned why these schools aren't being issued charters.
Senior Deputy Commissioner Baldwin agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Baldwin noted that the department requested an appropriation to support local planning for the zero-emission bus mandate, but it was not included in the Executive Budget.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official neutral
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa stated that SED was not part of the decision to eliminate the charter cap and remove boundaries, and offered to have offline conversations with Bichotte Hermelyn about the issues raised.
Assemblyman Conrad elected_official neutral
New York State Assembly
Assemblyman Conrad, a former educator for 21 years, asked when K-12 health learning standards were last updated and about funding for a curriculum specialist position. He also asked about improvements to APPR (Annual Professional Performance Review).
Assemblywoman Hyndman elected_official neutral
New York State Assembly
Hyndman asked whether SED tracks the total amount of funding that exits traditional public schools when students enroll in charter schools, and requested data on SED staff vacancies and attrition. She noted that SED's IT infrastructure has not been funded in many years.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa confirmed that K-12 health learning standards were last updated 20 years ago. She discussed APPR, noting that the department gathers critical issues from superintendents and stakeholders annually. She mentioned that high-stakes testing gets in the way of evaluation but that high-quality evaluation of teachers and principals is critical.
Executive Deputy Commissioner Cates-Williams agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Cates-Williams provided staffing data, noting that SED's original authorized staffing was around 3,200 but currently has approximately 2,549 employees. She emphasized the need to build up IT staff, noting that the IT shop has not been funded in many years despite being a major priority for modernization programs.
Senior Deputy Commissioner Baldwin agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Baldwin attributed the long time since standards updates to chronic underfunding of the office responsible for developing New York State learning standards. He noted that this office guides education in every public school in the state but is chronically underfunded, causing delays in completing work.
Assemblyman Carroll elected_official opposed
New York State Assembly
Carroll made an impassioned statement about literacy instruction, arguing that a majority of New York public schools use curriculum based on debunked 'three cueing' methods rather than science-based direct and explicit instruction. He cited statistics showing two-thirds of NYC students read below grade level and 80+ percent in Rochester, Syracuse, and Buffalo are below grade level. He noted New York ranks 45th nationally in reading attainment despite spending the most per pupil.
Senator Weber elected_official neutral
New York State Senate
Senator Weber asked about how districts will maintain one-to-one device programs after pandemic relief funds run out, noting that devices are reaching end of useful life. She also asked about Universal Pre-Kindergarten (UPK) funding, noting that per-pupil allocation hasn't changed since the program's inception 20 years ago.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official supportive
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa responded to Carroll's literacy concerns by stating that the Regents have not turned their back on the issue and have supported bills on dyslexia and brain research. She noted that local control means superintendents make curriculum decisions, but acknowledged the need for leadership on this issue.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa described a survey conducted to identify pain points in digital access. She noted that federal stimulus dollars were used strategically for equipment and infrastructure. She emphasized the importance of devices for the upcoming computer-based testing (CBT) transition and stated that New York is one of few states not yet ready for CBT.
Assemblyman De Los Santos elected_official neutral
New York State Assembly
De Los Santos, a former school social worker and community school director, expressed concern about lack of full parental engagement in community schools. He called for a specific budget initiative tailored to parental engagement and advocated for social workers and psychologists in every school to provide mental health services.
NYSED CFO Phyllis Morris agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
CFO Morris explained that the Executive Budget includes $100 million in allocational UPK funding and $25 million in competitive appropriation for new seats only. She noted that the $25 million cannot be used to help underfunded districts sustain existing programs. She referenced the Regents' proposal to restructure pre-K programs and level up underfunded programs as additional funds are added.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa responded that SED has a parent office within the department and parents have been key in graduation measures. However, she noted that SED has been unable to secure $1.6 million for translations for parents, which has been requested for years.
Assemblyman Ardila elected_official opposed
New York State Assembly
Assemblyman Ardila, representing Western and Central Queens, expressed concern about the construction of over 100 new charter schools and noted that over $2 billion has been diverted from public school funding into charter schools. He asked what public schools could have done with that $2 billion.
Assemblyman Ra elected_official skeptical
New York State Assembly
Ra questioned the proposed cut to 4201 schools serving children with low-incident disabilities, noting that despite headlines about a 10 percent increase, these schools are being cut. He also asked about the $2.5 million appropriation for studying the 853 school rate-setting methodology and the timeline for completion.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official skeptical
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa stated that the entire funding structure needs examination. She used Wyandanch as an example of a district that had a fiscal monitor and is now facing potential charter school competition, which she described as devastating. She argued that if all schools are public schools, funding should be discussed without winners and losers. She emphasized the need for a deep dive into how public and charter schools can coexist.
NYSED CFO Morris agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
CFO Morris explained that 4201 schools serve students who cannot be served in public schools, making fiscal support critical. She confirmed the July 2025 deadline for the 853 rate-setting methodology study.
Senator O'Mara elected_official neutral
New York State Senate
Senator O'Mara asked about efforts to get new teachers into the pipeline rather than just recertifying existing teachers. He asked about changing the narrative around the teaching profession and whether teachers are portraying teaching positively to students.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa discussed the 853 school rate-setting methodology study, noting that SED met with the Chamber and Department of Budget. She emphasized that 853 schools are unique and closing, and that families are desperate for these services. She noted that she was previously a principal at St. Agatha's, a residential program, and understands the population's needs.
NYSED Commissioner Rosa agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Commissioner Rosa emphasized the need to change the narrative about teaching, celebrating teachers as first educational responders during COVID. She noted that teaching is often not presented as an amazing profession despite its importance. She advocated for treating teachers as professionals and reconsidering the 'Lone Ranger' model of single teachers in classrooms. She referenced her 1995 dissertation on inclusive classrooms and cooperative teaching, arguing for more support and hands in classrooms.
Senior Deputy Commissioner Baldwin agency_official informational
New York State Education Department
Baldwin described efforts to create residency programs for teaching assistants with institutions of higher education and school districts. He mentioned P-TEACH, TOC II (using MBK funds to support aspiring teachers), and other activities to develop teaching pathways.

Senator Engagement (83)

Senator Engagement Stance Focus Areas Summary
Assemblywoman Hyndman neutral Charter school location in communities of color Chain charter schools vs. independent charters Diversity of charter school leadership Building collocation issues Assemblywoman Hyndman noted that most charter schools are in Black and brown neighborhoods and questioned why they aren't in other neighborhoods. She raised concerns about chain charter schools and collocations causing building management issues, and noted that only 8 percent of charter school leaders are people of color despite 91 percent of students being students of color.
Assemblywoman Peoples-Stokes supportive School choice and charter schools Charter school accountability Funding separation between charter and public schools Charter school performance standards Assemblywoman Peoples-Stokes disclosed that her family members attended charter schools and expressed support for school choice. She acknowledged that charter schools draw resources from traditional public schools but argued both should coexist. She advocated for separating funding streams and noted that charter schools failing to meet contractual requirements should be closed, similar to accountability for traditional public schools.
Chairwoman Krueger skeptical Special education funding fraud Yeshiva funding and accountability Charter school expansion proposals Chairwoman Krueger raised pointed questions about special education funding fraud involving 20 firms and approximately $60 million, asking whether public money should be returned. She questioned Rabbi Silber about Agudath Israel affiliations and expressed concern about accountability in yeshiva funding.
Sen. Alexis Weik unclear Sen. Weik is listed as present but no questions or engagement are recorded in the transcript provided.
Sen. Bill Weber unclear Sen. Weber is listed as present but no questions or engagement are recorded in the transcript provided.
Sen. Brad Hoylman-Sigal unclear Sen. Hoylman-Sigal is listed as present but no questions or engagement are recorded in the transcript provided.
Sen. Brisport opposed Charter school student selection practices Cash reserves and funding restrictions Charter school saturation in specific districts Equity between public and charter schools Sen. Brisport challenged Ms. Bennett's claim about charter principals not wanting to choose students, citing Success Academy-Fort Greene's 'got-to-go list.' He questioned charter school cash reserves and asked whether charter schools should be restricted to 4 percent fund balance like public schools. He noted that 20-30 charter schools operate in his district representing 10 percent of NYC population and questioned why wealthier communities don't demand charter schools.
Sen. Brisport skeptical Charter school profiteering mechanisms Charter school discipline and suspension practices Transparency and accountability in charter schools Sen. Brisport asked pointed questions about how for-profit interests can extract money from nonprofit charter schools and pressed for clarity on charter school discipline practices. He shared personal experience as a former public schoolteacher and expressed concern about lack of transparency in charter schools, signaling skepticism about charter school accountability.
Sen. Chu neutral Library funding Digital versus printed materials Instructional materials aid Sen. Chu asked about library material aid that has remained at $6.25 per pupil for 16 years and requested specific data on how digital and printed materials are prioritized, particularly given pandemic-related increases in digital needs.
Sen. Chu skeptical Class size disparities in overcrowded districts Gifted & Talented program expansion and equity District-specific needs vs. citywide averages Sen. Chu challenged the DOE's reliance on citywide averages, noting that her district (Southern Brooklyn) has schools at 125% capacity with classes of 30-33 students. She emphasized that overcrowding has persisted for over a decade and requested specific data on Gifted & Talented program availability and demand.
Sen. Chu neutral Charter school collocations Comparison of charter and traditional public school resources Best practices sharing between school types Parent choice and enrollment decisions Sen. Chu asked constructive questions about the 146 charter-traditional public school collocations, seeking to understand what resources or programs charter schools offer that traditional public schools lack. She appeared interested in learning from charter school successes to improve traditional schools rather than opposing charters outright.
Sen. Chu supportive library infrastructure pandemic services broadband access telehealth Sen. Chu asked detailed questions about library aging infrastructure, pandemic-era services, and broadband/telehealth capacity, signaling concern about library funding adequacy.
Sen. Chu neutral Universal free lunch eligibility percentages Sen. Chu asked for estimates of what percentage of nonpublic school students would qualify for free lunch under traditional public school standards, seeking data to understand the scope of need.
Sen. Chu neutral Charter school academic proficiency rates Special education enrollment percentages English language learner enrollment Charter school enrollment practices Sen. Chu asked for specific data on math and ELA proficiency rates and special education enrollment percentages. She shared personal experience receiving unsolicited charter school enrollment letters and questioned whether the application system is truly open. She noted receiving proficiency data showing 63 percent in math and 57 percent in ELA for charters versus 45 percent and 47 percent for districts.
Sen. Dean Murray unclear Sen. Murray is listed as present but no questions or engagement are recorded in the transcript provided.
Sen. Hoylman-Sigal opposed Book banning in school libraries Dyslexia screening programs Intellectual freedom in schools Sen. Hoylman-Sigal raised concerns about book banning in New York schools, citing the banning of 'Gender Queer: A Memoir' and urging the state to track and publish data on banned books. She also advocated for universal dyslexia screening at K-3 levels, noting her own daughter's late identification and citing a low-cost screening tool ($1.25 per student).
Sen. Iwen Chu unclear Sen. Chu is listed as present but no questions or engagement are recorded in the transcript provided.
Sen. Jabari Brisport unclear Sen. Brisport is listed as present but no questions or engagement are recorded in the transcript provided.
Sen. Jackson skeptical Charter school expansion proposals Impact on class sizes and budgets Foundation Aid formula funding process Sen. Jackson thanked Commissioner Rosa for explaining the Foundation Aid process and raised concerns about the Governor's proposal to eliminate regional caps on charter schools, which could allow over 100 new charters in New York City. He questioned the rationale for expansion given declining student enrollment and asked about impacts on class sizes and budgets.
Sen. Jackson skeptical Stimulus funding cliff and social worker sustainability Charter school expansion impact Student counseling out after October 31st cutoff Tracking of students moving between charter and traditional public schools Sen. Jackson raised concerns about a $700 million funding gap from expiring stimulus money and requested specific numbers on social worker allocations. He also questioned the impact of potential charter school expansion and requested tracking of students who leave charter schools after the October 31st cutoff date.
Sen. Jackson opposed Charter school expansion impact on public schools Tracking students returning from charter schools Geographic impact of charter expansion Timing of funding for students returning to public schools Sen. Jackson asked pointed questions about charter school impacts, requesting documentation of students returning from charters and expressing concern about the operational and financial disruption caused by delayed funding when students return to public schools. He signaled strong skepticism about charter expansion.
Sen. Jackson skeptical Rochester special monitor funding cut Budget autonomy and staffing maintenance ARPA funding cliff concerns Sen. Jackson asked detailed questions about the proposed $325,000 (later clarified as $175,000) cut to Rochester's special monitor position and pressed superintendents on their ability to maintain staffing levels as ARPA funds expire. She sought clarity on budget autonomy and future planning.
Sen. Jackson supportive Support for students with disabilities Personal connection to disability services Staffing and recruitment Sen. Jackson expressed strong personal support for the witnesses' work, sharing his family's experience with disability services. He affirmed his support for their requests and indicated he is advocating for related legislation.
Sen. Jackson supportive Foundation Aid history and Campaign for Fiscal Equity lawsuit Equity and wealth redistribution for education Support for IONY (Invest in Our New York) initiative Sen. Jackson provided historical context on the Campaign for Fiscal Equity lawsuit and emphasized that Foundation Aid should prioritize the neediest students. He advocated for wealth-based contributions to education and referenced his sponsorship of IONY, calling for wealthier New Yorkers to invest in education for disadvantaged students.
Sen. Jackson supportive Community Schools support Electric bus transition Yeshiva secular education compliance Workforce training Sen. Jackson expressed strong support for Community Schools, buses, and libraries as interconnected education investments. He took a firm stance on yeshiva compliance with state education law, stating schools receiving state money must comply with regulations and threatening to 'cut them off' if they don't. He noted parents in Buffalo are being paid to drive children to school due to driver shortages.
Sen. Jackson skeptical Charter school funding sources Philanthropic support for charter schools Special education enrollment in charter schools English language learner enrollment Sen. Jackson pressed witnesses on funding sources, asking whether charter schools rely on billionaires and millionaires. He questioned whether charter schools serve the same populations as public schools, specifically asking about English language learners and children with disabilities. He expressed concern about charter school enrollment practices.
Sen. Jackson supportive School meal funding FRPL form completion rates Administrative barriers to accessing benefits Budget priorities Sen. Jackson thanked testifiers for their advocacy and expressed frustration about low form completion rates for free and reduced-price lunch despite average salaries around $68,000. He indicated support for prioritizing school meal funding in the budget and pledged to work with colleagues to ensure resources are allocated.
Sen. Jackson supportive Charter schools vs. public schools Nonpublic school compliance with regulations Solutions Not Suspensions bill Implementation timeline for reforms Sen. Jackson, closing for the Senate, expressed strong support for public schools while acknowledging parents' right to choose charter schools. He took a hardline stance on nonpublic schools not complying with regulations, stating 'Cut them off. Cut the money off.' He emphasized the need for long-term commitment to education reform and thanked all witnesses for their testimony.
Sen. James Tedisco unclear Sen. Tedisco is listed as present but no questions or engagement are recorded in the transcript provided.
Sen. John Liu unclear Sen. Liu, Chair of the Senate Committee on New York City Education, is listed as present but no questions or engagement are recorded in the transcript provided.
Sen. Krueger neutral Hearing management and time control Ensuring all senators get opportunity to question Chair Krueger managed the hearing, controlling time and ensuring orderly progression of questions from senators. She maintained procedural control throughout.
Sen. Krueger skeptical Migrant student enrollment and funding flexibility Fiscal monitor funding cuts Library capital funding and ADA accessibility Special education parity funding Chairwoman Krueger asked pointed questions about the Executive Budget's proposed cuts to fiscal monitors and library capital funding, and raised concerns about whether funding mechanisms can flexibly address rapid migrant student enrollment increases in Midtown Manhattan schools.
Sen. Krueger neutral Hearing administration Time management Follow-up procedures Co-chair Krueger managed hearing logistics and procedures, requesting follow-up responses be sent to herself and Chair Weinstein for distribution to all committee members.
Sen. Krueger skeptical Charter school expansion costs and budget impact Rental assistance spending for charter schools Nonpublic school oversight and staffing Teacher and principal recruitment and retention Chair Krueger asked detailed questions about the $1.3 billion annual cost of charter expansion and the additional building rental costs that would accompany it. She also raised concerns about reduced staffing in the nonpublic school oversight division despite increased obligations to monitor yeshiva schools.
Sen. Krueger skeptical Artificial intelligence in education ChatGPT and student academic integrity Technology disruption in education Chair Krueger opened with pointed questions about AI and ChatGPT, expressing concern about educational disruption and vendor interests. She engaged substantively with Chancellor Banks on guardrails and the future of education, signaling skepticism about technology solutions while acknowledging the inevitability of change.
Sen. Krueger supportive Teacher and administrator pipeline Recruitment and retention challenges Working conditions and salary Appreciation for educators' work Chair Krueger asked substantive questions about whether there is a genuine shortage of teachers and administrators entering the profession, expressing concern about the pipeline and signaling strong support for educators' work and needs.
Sen. Krueger supportive electric school buses technology and feasibility timeline for implementation Chairwoman Krueger strongly supported the electric bus mandate, providing data on existing electric buses operating in winter climates and emphasizing that the 2035 timeline allows for technology development. She positioned the mandate as creating market demand for manufacturers.
Sen. Krueger supportive Universal school meals Foundation Aid formula Rural school district needs Educational equity and outcomes Sen. Krueger emphasized that universal school meals are critical, particularly for poor and rural school districts outside the Big 5 and NYC. She highlighted the connection between nutrition and educational outcomes, noting that fed children grow up healthier, learn better, and have fewer behavioral problems. She called for robust investment in schools and support for New York State farmers.
Sen. Liu skeptical Foundation Aid definition and purpose State oversight and accountability mechanisms Class size monitoring Regents exam standards and Asian-American history curriculum Sen. Liu engaged extensively with Commissioner Rosa on Foundation Aid mechanics and accountability, pressing for clarity on how the state ensures funds are used appropriately and whether class size issues are being monitored. He expressed concern that Asian-American history remains excluded from Regents exams despite decades of advocacy, signaling that the state needs to move faster on curriculum standards review.
Sen. Liu skeptical Charter school financial disclosures Class size requirements Charter school accountability Sen. Liu asked for clarification on SED's inability to obtain financial disclosures from charter schools and indicated the Senate may need to clarify charter school disclosure laws. He also emphasized the importance of class size limits in providing sound basic education.
Sen. Liu skeptical Class size mandate implementation School construction and capital planning Foundation Aid calculations DOE responsibility vs. school-level responsibility Sen. Liu expressed serious concerns about Chancellor Banks' framing of class size compliance as a school-level problem rather than a DOE responsibility. He pushed back on the 'unfunded mandate' characterization, noting that Foundation Aid increases of $1.2 billion annually since the legislation passed should enable compliance. Liu emphasized that the 20-23-25 student limits originated from DOE's own Foundation Aid calculations 15 years ago and demanded the DOE develop comprehensive solutions including school construction, not just email principals directives.
Sen. Liu supportive Asian-American curriculum inclusion Diwali as school holiday Equity in holiday recognition Lunar New Year recognition Sen. Liu praised Chancellor Banks for embracing Asian-American history in curriculum and announced successful pilot program expansion. He pressed the Chancellor on making Diwali a school holiday, noting the inconsistency of recognizing Juneteenth on Monday when it fell on Sunday but not doing the same for Lunar New Year. He advocated for using the remote learning buffer day to accommodate Diwali without waiting for legislation.
Sen. Liu skeptical Class size mandate implementation Charter school oversight and local control SUNY Charter Institute authority Diwali as a school holiday Sen. Liu engaged extensively on charter school governance, expressing skepticism about SUNY Charter Institute overriding local community decisions. He also raised concerns about class size mandate implementation and advocated for Diwali as a school holiday, demonstrating engagement on both equity and practical implementation issues.
Sen. Liu skeptical School consolidation and charter school expansion Charter school authorization process Public school waitlists Sen. Liu asked pointed questions about whether districts with 25-28% of students in charter schools should consolidate buildings, and questioned how charter schools are approved over local objections. He sought to understand the mechanics of charter school expansion and whether public schools maintain waitlists.
Sen. Liu neutral Foundation Aid formula equity and wealthy district funding Need for Foundation Aid formula update Cost implications of formula changes Sen. Liu engaged in substantive discussion about Foundation Aid formula mechanics, noting that wealthy districts argue they contribute more from local tax bases than they receive from the state. He sought clarification on whether all panelists support formula revision and whether such changes would require proportional increases in total Foundation Aid.
Sen. Liu skeptical New York Times articles about Orthodox Jewish schools Charter school accountability and transparency Charter school funding comparisons Political influence and campaign contributions Sen. Liu questioned Rabbi Silber about New York Times allegations and pressed charter school representatives on accountability and transparency issues. He challenged Mr. Merriman's funding figures, noting that NYC Foundation Aid increase is 2 percent, not 12 percent, and charter reimbursement is 4.5 percent, not 3.3 percent. He expressed skepticism about charter school claims and suggested political motivations behind charter school advocacy.
Sen. Liz Krueger neutral Hearing administration and time management Introduction of Senate members As co-chair of the hearing, Sen. Krueger managed the proceedings, introduced Senate members, and set ground rules for testimony and questioning. She made light remarks about the use of the gavel but did not ask substantive questions of the commissioner during the transcript provided.
Sen. Martinez skeptical Bullying and DASA reporting School safety Follow-up on bullying complaints Sen. Martinez, a former educator and DASA coordinator, asked pointed questions about what happens after schools report bullying. She shared a personal anecdote about a student suicide due to bullying and questioned whether DASA reporting is accurate and whether schools receive adequate resources.
Sen. Mayer skeptical Charter school costs and budget impact Collocation of charter schools Charter expansion policy Grade level expansion authority Sen. Mayer pressed Chancellor Banks on the financial impact of charter schools, extracting specific figures ($3 billion in charter costs, $200 million in rent, 146 collocated schools) and questioning whether lifting the charter cap would further strain traditional public school resources. She sought to establish the concrete fiscal consequences of charter expansion.
Sen. Mayer skeptical Migrant student enrollment and costs Budget appropriations for migrant services Mental health funding and RECOVS program implementation Sen. Mayer asked pointed questions about the unanticipated $20 million cost for migrant students and whether the Governor's budget included funding for these services. She also pressed on mental health funding delays and what the DOE is doing to address COVID-related trauma.
Sen. Mayer supportive Community Schools funding Wraparound services for families Assistant principal staffing in NYC schools Sen. Mayer asked detailed questions about Community Schools benefits and specifically inquired about the number of NYC schools without assistant principals, signaling support for expanded support services and administrative staffing.
Sen. Mayer supportive ARPA funding and structural inequities Charter school saturation in urban districts Staffing levels (221 positions in Yonkers) Sen. Mayer demonstrated strong support for the Big 5 superintendents and education funding. She asked pointed questions about why ARPA funds were used to hire permanent staff despite being intended for nonrecurring expenses, validating the superintendents' decisions to address structural inequities. She also pressed on charter school saturation percentages across districts.
Sen. Mayer skeptical Budget-neutral tuition rate methodology Teacher recruitment and retention Salary competitiveness Sen. Mayer questioned whether a budget-neutral rate-setting methodology was plausible and pressed witnesses on whether it could address years of shortfalls. She also asked about the persistent problem of teachers being recruited away to public schools at higher salaries.
Sen. Mayer supportive SED proposal for $1 million to explore new Foundation Aid formula Community eligibility for school meals Student enrollment trends post-COVID Sen. Mayer asked detailed questions about Foundation Aid formula research funding and community eligibility programs for school meals. She sought to understand barriers to participation in federal meal programs and whether districts are utilizing available federal funding before requesting state support.
Sen. Mayer neutral school bus driver recruitment after-school program funding Sen. Mayer asked practical questions about strategies to recruit bus drivers and sought clarification on after-school funding proposals, showing engagement with workforce and program implementation issues.
Sen. Mayer supportive MSA and CAP funding impacts Enrollment trends in nonpublic schools Catholic school closures Sen. Mayer questioned the impact of prorated MSA funding on schools and explored enrollment trends. She noted this would be the first time the state didn't fully pay for mandated services and expressed concern about Catholic school enrollment decline from 845 to 420 schools.
Sen. Mayer skeptical Charter school demand and openings Geographic saturation of charter schools Charter authorization processes (SUNY vs. SED) Community impact of charter expansion Sen. Mayer questioned whether there is sufficient demand for additional charter schools, noting that 12 charters already authorized have not opened. She asked about geographic saturation, noting some communities have high charter concentrations while affluent communities have fewer. She inquired about charter authorization preferences between SUNY and SED.
Sen. Mayer neutral Community Eligibility Provision participation rates Federal reimbursement mechanisms Cost-sharing barriers for school districts Incentives for CEP participation Sen. Mayer asked detailed technical questions about why eligible schools are not participating in Community Eligibility Provision and what incentives could encourage participation. He sought to understand the federal-state cost-sharing structure and whether state funding could be better leveraged with federal resources.
Sen. Mayer supportive Attestation requirements for nonpublic schools Ongoing commission model for funding review Solutions Not Suspensions bill Charter school accountability Sen. Mayer asked detailed questions about the attestation proposal and the ongoing commission model, expressing appreciation for the witnesses' work. She signaled support for the Solutions Not Suspensions bill and acknowledged the difficulty in building consensus, calling for flexibility and open-mindedness from all parties.
Sen. Michelle Hinchey unclear Sen. Hinchey is listed as present but no questions or engagement are recorded in the transcript provided.
Sen. Monica R. Martinez unclear Sen. Martinez is listed as present but no questions or engagement are recorded in the transcript provided.
Sen. Murray supportive BOCES and CTE programs Instructor compensation caps Stigma around career and technical education Sen. Murray praised Commissioner Rosa for using 'and' instead of 'or' when discussing college and career pathways, noting this helps combat stigma. He asked about the proposed College Credit and Career Opportunity Program and raised concerns about compensation caps for CTE instructors that have been in place for 30 years.
Sen. Murray neutral Cybersecurity in schools Ransomware prevention and recovery Funding for digital safety measures Sen. Murray shifted focus to cybersecurity concerns, asking about preventative measures and funding for digital safety following Suffolk County's ransomware experience. Her questions were informational rather than taking a clear stance.
Sen. Murray skeptical BOCES instructor pay and aidability cap Workforce retention in career and technical education Instructor working hours and compensation Sen. Murray expressed frustration with the 30-year-old BOCES aidability cap based on $30,000, noting that instructor compensation approaches minimum wage levels. She apologized for the state's inability to address the issue and asked about workforce retention problems and unmet demand for CTE programs.
Sen. Murray supportive library funding library system structure construction aid impact Sen. Murray advocated for library funding, framing libraries as 'the great equalizer' and citing constituent demand demonstrated by high opening-day attendance at a new branch.
Sen. Murray skeptical Construction aid sufficiency Labor cost impacts from minimum wage increases Sen. Murray questioned whether construction aid is sufficient to cover basic needs and inquired about labor cost impacts from minimum wage increases on library operations. His tone suggested skepticism about adequacy of current funding.
Sen. O'Mara neutral Teacher pipeline development Teacher recruitment and narrative Positive messaging about teaching profession Sen. O'Mara asked about getting new teachers into the pipeline and whether teachers are portraying the profession positively to students. He engaged substantively on teacher recruitment strategies.
Sen. O'Mara skeptical Electric bus transition timeline and costs Infrastructure requirements Charging station costs Bus replacement schedules Sen. O'Mara asked pointed questions about the feasibility and cost of the electric bus mandate, clarifying that the 2027-2035 timeline requires purchasing buses starting in 2027 at three to four times current cost. He pressed for details on infrastructure costs and utility capacity, signaling concern about implementation challenges.
Sen. Oberacker supportive Teacher shortage in rural districts Data on schools in need Grant program implementation Sen. Oberacker, representing rural North Country districts, asked about data on teacher shortages and offered his district as a test site for grant programs. He was supportive of the department's efforts.
Sen. Peter Oberacker unclear Sen. Oberacker is listed as present but no questions or engagement are recorded in the transcript provided.
Sen. Robert Jackson unclear Sen. Jackson is listed as present but no questions or engagement are recorded in the transcript provided.
Sen. Shelley B. Mayer supportive Foundation Aid implementation and student outcomes RECOVS mental health program implementation delays Full-day pre-K program barriers and funding complexity RFP approval process streamlining Sen. Mayer asked detailed, substantive questions about how Foundation Aid translates to student outcomes and expressed frustration with delays in the RECOVS mental health program. She sought practical solutions to bureaucratic delays and questioned why districts were not taking advantage of full-day pre-K funding, focusing on structural barriers rather than district resistance.
Sen. Shelley Mayer skeptical Charter school openings and demand Geographic distribution of charter schools Charter authorization quality Sen. Mayer questioned the actual demand for charter schools given that 12 already-authorized charters have not opened. She expressed concern about geographic saturation in some communities while affluent communities have fewer charters, and asked whether charter expansion is appropriate in all areas.
Sen. Stec skeptical Zero-emission school bus mandate Cost to rural taxpayers Grid capacity and cold weather performance Sen. Stec raised pointed concerns about the zero-emission bus mandate, citing specific cost figures ($8-15 billion with only $800 million in state/federal support) and practical concerns about grid capacity and cold weather performance in the North Country. He signaled skepticism about the mandate's feasibility.
Sen. Tedisco opposed Bullying notification requirements Parent notification of bullying incidents Cyberbullying and social media impacts Sen. Tedisco pressed Commissioner Rosa on the lack of mandatory parent notification when bullying is reported to the State Education Department. He cited the case of Jacobe Taras, whose parents were unaware of daily bullying that preceded his suicide, and argued that parents should be mandated to know if their child is bullying others or being bullied. He noted that legislation passed the Senate almost unanimously on this issue.
Sen. Tedisco supportive School bullying and violence Parental notification requirements Student nutrition and learning conditions Sen. Tedisco, a former special education teacher, asked about bullying and violence in schools and advocated for mandatory parental notification of bullying incidents. He referenced his bill (Jacobe's Bill) requiring parental notification and received Chancellor Banks' support for such legislation.
Sen. Tedisco neutral Funding sources for recommendations Tuition rate study methodology Budget allocation Sen. Tedisco asked clarifying questions about the total funding requested ($107 million) and how it related to the Governor's $2.5 million study proposal, seeking to understand the relationship between existing budget proposals and additional funding needs.
Sen. Tedisco skeptical Bullying in schools and parent notification Mental health and youth suicide prevention Jacobe's Law and mandatory parent notification Sen. Tedisco raised concerns about bullying expansion, particularly through social media and the internet, and questioned why parents are not mandated to be notified of bullying incidents despite being involved in other school matters. He referenced his bill 'Jacobe's Law' and cited cases where lack of parent notification led to tragic outcomes.
Sen. Tedisco neutral student mental health bullying Sen. Tedisco cited student survey data on anxiety and bullying but was cut off before completing his line of questioning by Chairwoman Krueger.
Sen. Tedisco supportive School meal funding and nutrition Chocolate milk in schools Educational quality and student concentration Niskayuna school district Sen. Tedisco expressed strong support for school meal funding, arguing that hungry students cannot concentrate on learning. He praised Megan Bates for her advocacy and discussed the nutritional benefits of chocolate milk. He emphasized that investing billions in education is pointless if students lack adequate nutrition.
Sen. Thomas F. O'Mara neutral Introduction of Republican members As ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, Sen. O'Mara introduced Republican members present at the hearing but did not ask substantive questions in the transcript provided.
Sen. Weber neutral Device replacement after pandemic funding Digital divide Universal Pre-Kindergarten funding Sen. Weber asked about sustainability of one-to-one device programs and UPK funding equity, noting that per-pupil allocations haven't changed in 20 years.
Sen. Weik supportive Literacy and reading comprehension Dyslexia and learning disabilities Early screening and identification Sen. Weik expressed strong concern about declining literacy in New York compared to neighboring states. She cited specific statistics about dyslexia and learning disabilities, and asked detailed questions about screening and intervention for struggling readers.

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