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2024-02-08 JOINT LEGISLATIVE HEARING In the Matter of the 2024-2025 EXECUTIVE BUDGET ON HIGHER EDUCATION Chair: Sen. Liz Krueger View full transcript → Archive

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NEW YORK STATE SENATE AND ASSEMBLY HIGHER EDUCATION BUDGET HEARING — ALBANY — The state's two major public university systems presented their fiscal challenges and strategic priorities to the Legislature on Thursday, with SUNY Chancellor John B. King Jr. and CUNY Chancellor Félix V. Matos Rodríguez seeking sustained funding increases to address long-term structural deficits and rising operational costs. King reported that SUNY achieved its first enrollment growth in a decade, with overall enrollment up 1.1 percent and first-time undergraduate enrollment rising 4.3 percent from fall 2022 to fall 2023. He praised the Governor's proposed 2024-2025 budget, which includes $54 million in additional operating support and $650 million in capital investment. However, King warned that without continued revenue increases, SUNY faces a projected $1 billion deficit over the next decade due to rising costs, including $86 million in new expenses from a recently completed faculty contract with the United University Professions. Matos Rodríguez highlighted CUNY's economic impact, noting that the university's 50,000 annual graduates contribute approximately $70 billion in annual earnings to the state—nearly 5 percent of state GDP. He reported that CUNY researchers secured a record $638 million in external funding last year and received a $75 million gift from the Simons Foundation. However, CUNY continues to struggle with enrollment recovery, remaining 40,000 students below pre-pandemic levels, though recent enrollment has increased 2 percent. The university's structural deficit has been reduced from $234 million to a projected $128 million, but Matos Rodríguez emphasized that projected collective bargaining costs of $184 million will require additional state investment to maintain quality. Assemblywoman Patricia Fahy, chair of the Assembly Higher Education Committee, commended both chancellors for issuing fiscal reports detailing years of disinvestment and praised recent legislative investments. She highlighted the need for universal FAFSA completion and expressed hope that internship programs could eventually reach every student before graduation. Senator Toby Stavisky, chair of the Senate Higher Education Committee, pressed Chancellor King on the timeline and process surrounding SUNY Downstate's crisis, expressing concern that key stakeholders, including the state Health Commissioner, learned about the $300 million capital investment plan through media reports rather than direct notification. King acknowledged the long-standing challenges at Downstate and said discussions with Governor Hochul's office began after the university faced a $100 million deficit and projected cash depletion by summer. Both chancellors addressed campus safety concerns, noting increased hate incidents and antisemitism on campuses. King said SUNY has provided Title VI training to senior staff and deployed university police for additional security at campus events. Matos Rodríguez noted that CUNY has partnered with campus Hillels and worked with NYPD to ensure student safety while protecting First Amendment rights. The hearing, held February 8 in Albany, was the tenth in a series of joint fiscal committee hearings on the Governor's proposed budget. Additional testimony from faculty unions, student advocates, and other stakeholders was scheduled to follow. New York's higher education leaders faced pointed questioning from state legislators on February 8 over budget priorities, campus closures, and the controversial transformation of SUNY Downstate Medical Center during a joint legislative hearing on the 2024-2025 executive budget. SUNY Chancellor King and CUNY Chancellor Matos Rodríguez defended their systems' funding requests and strategic initiatives, but encountered skepticism from senators concerned about cuts to student aid programs and the adequacy of community engagement on major facility changes. The most contentious exchange centered on the proposed Downstate transformation. Sen. Stavisky, the Finance Committee chair, pressed Chancellor King on whether the plan would require a Certificate of Need from the Department of Health and a Health Equity Impact Assessment—regulatory processes typically required for major healthcare facility changes. King repeatedly deferred, saying these determinations would be made "in the coming weeks and months." Sen. Rivera directly challenged this evasiveness, calling the responses "truly unacceptable" and noting he has introduced legislation to require all institutions undergo the same regulatory processes. Sen. Jackson expressed alarm about the state's priorities, questioning why the Opportunity Program—which serves low-income students—faces cuts when New York has a $232 billion budget and $20 billion in reserves. "I think that we're in trouble," Jackson said, demanding "real talk" rather than "fluff" on saving Downstate. Chancellor Matos Rodríguez warned that without state funding for CUNY labor contracts, the system faces a structural deficit that could force staffing cuts. He noted that 85 percent of CUNY costs are personnel. The current budget includes no provision for labor contract cost increases, a departure from historical practice. On community colleges, Chancellor King acknowledged enrollment declines over the past decade but noted that the Governor's budget maintains a funding floor that protects against an $85 million cut. However, Assemblyman Smullen and others pressed for enhanced funding, particularly for workforce development programs. Chancellor King highlighted major research investments, including a $500 million gift to Stony Brook matched with state funds and a $10 billion investment at Albany NanoTech. He also noted SUNY's $8 billion capital backlog and requested a $100 million clean energy fund to advance sustainability goals. On antisemitism, Chancellor Matos Rodríguez described initiatives including an Advisory Council on Jewish Life, a campus climate pilot on seven CUNY campuses, and a new complaint portal. However, he acknowledged the portal was a "first step" and the system is procuring a more sophisticated instrument to track incidents and improve response times. The hearing revealed significant tensions between the executive branch's budget proposals and legislative priorities, particularly regarding student aid, community college funding, and the future of major medical facilities serving underserved communities. New York's higher education leaders faced intense legislative scrutiny on Wednesday over budget priorities and major restructuring plans, with lawmakers demanding greater transparency and community engagement on the controversial SUNY Downstate proposal. At a joint Senate-Assembly hearing on the 2024-2025 executive budget, SUNY Chancellor John B. King Jr. defended the $300 million capital investment plan to restructure the Brooklyn medical center, which faces a $100 million deficit. The plan would involve a 10-20 percent reduction in staffing—affecting 175 to 375 employees—and a potential shift toward ambulatory care in partnership with Health + Hospitals. But Senate Finance Committee Chair Liz Krueger demanded specifics, insisting the Legislature see memorandums of understanding between SUNY and H+H before approving the plan. "We really feel we need to understand because you've heard, people don't feel that you've spoken enough with the community," Krueger said. She also raised concerns about regional hospital impacts, noting that nearly 50 percent of Brooklyn residents seek care in Manhattan, and that closing Mount Sinai Beth Israel would further strain already-overwhelmed facilities like Bellevue. Sen. Gustavo Chu pressed King on the human cost of the restructuring, asking for specific job titles and positions affected. "Twenty percent, 10 percent, it's a number. What positions, what job titles are we talking about?" Chu asked, noting employees face losing pension benefits. On labor costs, CUNY Chancellor Félix Matos Rodríguez reported the system is requesting $184 million to cover labor contracts—$41 million for classified staff and the remainder for the Professional Staff Congress—due to lapsed negotiations. Lawmakers also pressed both chancellors on community college funding equity. Sen. Robert O'Mara noted the state contributes roughly $100 million less than counties to community colleges and questioned whether the system can move toward equal one-third funding. King said the community college presidents are requesting a $97 million increase focused on workforce development, while the current funding floor preserves $85 million that would otherwise be lost. Both chancellors highlighted workforce development initiatives, with SUNY reporting 600 microcredentials and 280 larger programs eligible for TAP across 30+ campuses. King also emphasized SUNY's role as the largest provider of higher education in prisons, noting dramatically lower recidivism rates for incarcerated students. Krueger also demanded greater financial transparency, requesting that SUNY and CUNY post staff salary information publicly—noting that nearly every other state agency does so—and requesting recent financial reports from both university foundations. The hearing underscored legislative concerns that major budget commitments lack sufficient detail and community input, particularly regarding the Downstate restructuring and its ripple effects across New York's hospital system. NEW YORK STATE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE — Lawmakers pressed higher education officials on Tuesday over funding cuts to tuition assistance programs and the financial crisis at SUNY Downstate Medical Center during a joint legislative hearing on the 2024-2025 executive budget. The hearing revealed significant tensions over the state's commitment to student financial aid. Assembly Education Chair Pat Fahy questioned why the Tuition Assistance Program (TAP) budget is being cut by $132 million to $764 million, even as enrollment at SUNY and CUNY campuses showed modest increases. HESC President Dr. Guillermo Linares defended the reduction, saying projections show the lower funding level will cover anticipated enrollment. However, Fahy noted that if TAP had been indexed to tuition increases since 2011, the program would require $1.3 billion annually—more than 70 percent above the proposed budget. Senator Toby Stavisky raised concerns about the adequacy of financial aid for independent students, whose income threshold has remained frozen at $10,000 annually for years. "In 2024, living on $10,000 a year? That's not below the poverty line, it's way under every other concept of society," Stavisky said. She also pressed Linares on whether students would be held harmless from repayment demands related to a TAP overpayment error discovered in 2021 that affected students across public and private institutions. SUNY Chancellor King faced intense questioning from Assembly members about SUNY Downstate, which faces a $160 million deficit stemming from its designation as a COVID-only hospital in March 2020. Assemblywoman Inez Forrest, a nurse, expressed frustration over the lack of clarity about the hospital's future, particularly regarding maternal health services. "I have heard my colleagues' questions, and I have been disappointed by the answers to the situation at Downstate," Forrest said, noting that Downstate operates Brooklyn's only Level IV NICU. Chairwoman Liz Krueger emphasized the need for more detailed community engagement plans regarding Downstate's future relationship with Health + Hospitals, saying current proposals lack specifics about whether the hospital would maintain its own emergency room or share one with Kings County Hospital. On a positive note, HESC reported that TAP has provided nearly $30 billion to more than 6 million New Yorkers since its inception 50 years ago. The agency also highlighted expansion of TAP eligibility to part-time students and those in non-degree workforce programs, as well as restoration of TAP funding for incarcerated individuals—a benefit denied since 1995. In 2022-23, 453 incarcerated students received approximately $5 million in TAP assistance. Linares also announced a major push to increase FAFSA completion, noting that nearly 50 percent of New York high school seniors failed to complete the form in 2022, leaving $200 million in federal Pell Grants unclaimed. The 2024-25 budget includes a near-mandate requiring school districts to ensure seniors or parents certify FAFSA completion or sign a waiver. The hearing underscored lawmakers' concerns that despite record investments in higher education operating budgets last year, financial aid programs are not keeping pace with rising costs and changing student demographics. New York State legislators heard urgent pleas for increased higher education funding during a joint budget hearing on Thursday, with testimony revealing deep financial pressures across CUNY, SUNY, and community colleges despite recent state investments. The Higher Education Services Corporation reported administering 28 scholarship programs, including the Excelsior Scholarship serving 29,000 students, but acknowledged the need to modernize the Tuition Assistance Program (TAP), which has remained largely unchanged for 25 years. Multiple legislators pressed for expanding TAP income eligibility and improving FAFSA completion rates, with $200 million in federal funds at stake if completion doesn't improve. CUNY's Professional Staff Congress President James Davis painted a stark picture of institutional strain, citing a net loss of 1,313 full-time employees from 2018-2022 despite hiring 575 new faculty. He described a crisis of student attrition and understaffing, with classes canceled within a week of semester start and full-time faculty laid off on short-term contracts. At Queens College alone, 26 full-time faculty were nonrenewed midyear, eliminating 104 class sections. SUNY's United University Professions President Frederick Kowal called for $139 million to address structural deficits at 18 campuses and strongly opposed the announced closure of SUNY Downstate Hospital, characterizing the plan as drafted in secrecy and harmful to Central Brooklyn's health and medical education. Community college representatives documented severe inequities: community college students receive $2,600 in state aid versus $19,000 for four-year SUNY students, despite educating 174,000 students—45 percent of SUNY's undergraduate population. The New York Community College Trustees requested $97 million in increased base operating aid to address a $2.5 billion disinvestment over 20 years. Senators Stavisky, Jackson, and Webb engaged substantively on TAP expansion, FAFSA completion barriers, and loan forgiveness programs for critical workforce areas including nursing and legal services. The hearing underscored legislative frustration with what multiple testifiers described as years of disinvestment and structural underfunding across the state's higher education system. The hearing was held February 8, 2024, before the Senate Finance Committee and Assembly Higher Education Committee. ALBANY — Union leaders and university officials clashed with state lawmakers Wednesday over the 2024-2025 higher education budget, with sharp criticism focused on the Cuomo administration's proposed closure of SUNY Downstate Medical Center and persistent underfunding of community colleges. Dr. Fred Kowal, president of the United University Professions union, condemned the Downstate closure plan as developed "in secret" without stakeholder consultation. He said he learned of the announcement via phone call at 9:30 p.m. on MLK holiday and disputed claims the hospital is deteriorating, noting it served as a COVID-only facility and contains brand-new sections including a transplant center. "It is not about to collapse. It is not falling to pieces," Kowal testified, adding the hospital currently serves over 200 patients and ranks first among 143 hospitals in percentage of Medicaid patients. Sen. Robert Jackson (D-Manhattan) delivered an impassioned plea, using metaphors of a "bucket" with water "poured out" to describe the hospital's plight. He urged union members to contact every state legislator and Gov. Kathy Hochul to pressure for a proper transition plan, warning that "it's going to cost more when people are dying, and people are going to lose their jobs." On community colleges, Mr. Craig Williams testified that the system receives only $2,600 in annual state aid per student compared to $4,750 for four-year SUNY students—a disparity he called inequitable given that community colleges serve higher percentages of low-income and minority students. Williams requested $97 million in additional funding to achieve a 50-25-25 funding model (state, county, student) and produce 20,000 career-ready workforce development students annually. Dr. James Davis of CUNY highlighted a retention crisis: community colleges lose 40 percent of students between Year 1 and Year 2, versus 20 percent at four-year colleges. He attributed this to inadequate resources for full-time faculty, mental health counselors, and academic advising. Sen. Lea Webb and other lawmakers questioned how previous capital allocations were distributed, with Kowal noting that the largest campuses received disproportionate shares despite smaller bases. The hearing underscored deep legislative frustration with both the Downstate closure plan and the structural underfunding of higher education that predates the current budget cycle. NEW YORK STATE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE — A joint legislative hearing on the 2024-2025 Executive Budget for higher education revealed sharp divisions over proposed cuts to student aid programs and ongoing frustration over stalled pension legislation for university police. The most contentious issue centered on the Governor's proposal to eliminate Bundy Aid for independent colleges with endowments exceeding $750 million. Lola Brabham, president of the Commission on Independent Colleges and Universities, warned the $18 million cut would affect 17 institutions and increase costs for students, noting that 46 percent of independent-sector endowment spending already goes to student aid. "New York should not be balancing its budget on the backs of these students," Brabham testified. The proposal drew skepticism from Sen. Toby Stavisky, who said she "still hasn't figured out the rationale" for linking endowments to student aid. University police leadership presented stark staffing data, reporting that SUNY has lost 200 officers in three years, with only 20 percent departing due to retirement. James McCartney, president of the PBA of New York State, described the situation as a "Groundhog Day" cycle: the Legislature passes a 20-year pension bill, the Governor vetoes it citing budget concerns, then the next year's budget is drafted without it. The pension has been vetoed three times despite 96 percent of other police and firefighters in the state already receiving 20-year pensions. Sen. Robert Jackson, who chairs the Civil Service and Pensions Committee, expressed skepticism about overriding the veto, telling McCartney: "I don't think that there is a willingness to attempt to override the Governor's veto at this point in time." Testifiers from graduate student unions, private colleges, and independent institutions united around expanding the Tuition Assistance Program, which is celebrating its 50th anniversary. Brad Hershenson, representing nearly 5,000 graduate students across SUNY, noted that the last TAP income threshold increase occurred in 2000 and called for restoration of Graduate TAP. Donna Stelling-Gurnett of the Association of Private Colleges estimated that expanding part-time TAP to proprietary college students would cost $5.5 million and affect approximately 2,500 students, framing it as an equity issue. Jennifer Tassler of the New York State Academic Dental Centers testified about oral health disparities for individuals with intellectual and developmental disabilities, noting that only 10 percent of general-practice dentists regularly treat such patients. She requested continued funding for a fellowship program launched in 2021 that has trained three dentists with a goal of supporting six annually. The hearing underscored tensions between legislative support for higher education funding and executive budget constraints, with multiple testifiers calling for increased investment in student aid programs and workforce development. NEW YORK — A joint legislative hearing on the 2024-2025 higher education budget revealed significant challenges facing the state's college system, from federal financial aid delays to chronic underfunding of student support programs. The hearing, held before the Senate and Assembly higher education committees, heard testimony from college administrators, student advocates, and nonprofit organizations about the cascading effects of the federal government's troubled FAFSA rollout. College financial aid offices cannot finalize aid packages or communicate with students because they won't receive data until mid-to-late March, witnesses said, disrupting students' ability to make enrollment decisions. "It's having a huge impact on our institutions," said Ms. Brabham, representing private colleges. "The financial aid offices can't finalize financial aid packages, get that information out to students." Beyond the FAFSA crisis, advocates pressed lawmakers to expand the Tuition Assistance Program (TAP), which has become the focal point of higher education funding debates. Blair Horner of NYPIRG called for raising the maximum TAP award to match SUNY tuition, expanding it to graduate students, and raising income thresholds. He noted that state policy has "destabilized" the public college system by decoupling TAP from tuition increases, creating what he called the "TAP gap." Student advocates testified passionately about specific needs. Arturo Soto, representing the CUNY Coalition for Students with Disabilities, urged lawmakers to fund CUNY's $7 million request for disability accommodations and ADA compliance. Alexandria Sisti, a SUNY Albany student from an underserved Long Island community, called for expanding the Excelsior Scholarship to its original $150,000 income target, noting that without such aid, "college would just be a fever dream." The Foster Youth College Success Initiative, which serves 1,148 students, received strong support. The program currently receives $7.92 million in the governor's budget, but advocates requested $10 million total. Data showed FYCSI recipients have higher retention and graduation rates than peers with foster care experience. On Point for College, a workforce development nonprofit serving rural and low-income students across Central New York, requested $500,000 in state funding—an amount it has never received in full. The organization has helped more than 4,500 students graduate since 1999, with graduates earning over $11 billion collectively over their lifetimes. Sen. Tom O'Mara raised concerns about delays in approving new academic programs at the State Education Department's Office of Professions, citing Keuka College's nursing program stuck in review for over three years despite a documented nursing shortage. He called for accountability measures. The hearing underscored persistent tensions between legislative priorities and executive budget proposals, with lawmakers signaling support for expanded aid even as they grapple with fiscal constraints. NEW YORK — A joint legislative budget hearing on higher education on Thursday highlighted persistent barriers to college access for disadvantaged students, with testimony focusing on the complexity of federal financial aid forms and the need for expanded student support services. Alexandria Sisti, a scholarship recipient, told lawmakers that many high school students—particularly those from immigrant families and those whose parents do not speak English—find the FAFSA form so confusing that they abandon college plans entirely. "I have friends that tell me all the time, they're like, I get no money but it's because I don't know how to fill it out properly, so I'll just pay for college out of pocket and be in debt for the rest of my life," Sisti testified. Assemblymember Chris Eachus, drawing on his personal experience with 13 foster siblings, called for greater promotion of the NY FAFSA READY program and emphasized the need for comprehensive support for foster youth in higher education. "So few foster students are able to be successful in college, and it really is an incredible area that we need to focus on," said Assemblywoman Jo Anne Simon, a former TRIO program director. Mr. Rowser of On Point for College described his organization's comprehensive approach to student support, including FAFSA completion assistance, transportation, and wraparound services such as pro bono dental care. He noted that On Point has not previously accessed federal TRIO funding despite a 98 percent success rate in applications, and called for the program to be expanded: "We need On Point everywhere." Assemblywoman Simon asked whether On Point could leverage federal TRIO funding to expand its reach, suggesting potential synergies with existing federal programs. The hearing, held before the Senate Finance Committee, is part of the legislature's review of the 2024-2025 executive budget. The next joint budget hearing, on mental health, is scheduled for February 13th.

Topic Summary

The Senate Finance Committee and Assembly Ways and Means Committee held a joint hearing on Governor Hochul's proposed 2024-2025 budget for higher education. Testimony focused on SUNY and CUNY's fiscal challenges, enrollment trends, capital needs, and strategic initiatives including workforce development, AI research, and campus safety in the wake of increased hate incidents.

Testimony (36)

Dr. John B. King, Jr. agency_official supportive
Chancellor, State University of New York
Chancellor King highlighted SUNY's enrollment growth (1.1% overall, 4.3% in first-time undergraduates), praised the Governor's budget proposal, and outlined SUNY's four pillars: student success, research, diversity/equity/inclusion, and economic development. He emphasized that 52% of in-state undergraduates attend tuition-free and noted the $163 million operating aid increase from last year's budget. He discussed capital investments, the Empire AI initiative, SUNY Downstate's $300 million capital investment, and universal FAFSA completion efforts.
SUNY Chancellor King agency_official informational
State University of New York
Chancellor King outlined SUNY's budget priorities and responded to questions about Downstate Medical Center transformation, community college funding challenges, research partnerships, and campus sustainability. He emphasized the need for capital investment and discussed enrollment declines at community colleges and structural deficits at some campuses.
CUNY Chancellor Félix Matos Rodríguez agency_official informational
City University of New York
Chancellor Matos Rodríguez testified on CUNY's budget request, highlighting labor contract costs of $184 million ($41 million for classified staff, remainder for Professional Staff Congress). He discussed workforce development initiatives, microcredentials programs, and efforts to support students with disabilities. He emphasized CUNY's commitment to affordability and the importance of sustainable funding for early college programs.
SUNY Chancellor King agency_official informational
State University of New York
Chancellor King discussed SUNY's budget priorities, enrollment challenges at campuses like Potsdam and Fredonia, the Distressed Campus Fund allocation, and SUNY Downstate's financial crisis. He emphasized the need for program adjustments to match student demand and outlined principles for community engagement regarding Downstate's future.
HESC President Dr. Linares agency_official informational
Higher Education Services Corporation (HESC)
Dr. Linares presented HESC's role in administering 28 scholarship and loan forgiveness programs. He highlighted the success of the Excelsior Scholarship program serving 29,000 students and discussed efforts to increase awareness of financial aid programs. He acknowledged the need to modernize TAP and expand access to higher education, while noting HESC's collaborative approach with other state agencies.
Dr. Fred Kowal advocate opposed
United University Professions (UUP)
Kowal criticized the Downstate Medical Center closure plan as developed in secret without stakeholder consultation. He stated the plan was announced to him via phone call on MLK holiday at 9:30 p.m. He disputed characterizations of the hospital's condition, noting it served as a COVID-only facility and contains brand-new sections including a transplant center. He called for the Legislature to pass Senator Myrie's bill to keep the hospital open and maintain its public and teaching nature.
James McCartney agency_official opposed
President, PBA of New York State (represents SUNY Police, Environmental Conservation Officers, Forest Rangers, Park Police)
McCartney testified about the ongoing struggle to secure a 20-year pension for SUNY police officers, which has been vetoed three times by Governor Hochul despite legislative passage. He cited severe staffing shortages, with 200 SUNY University Police Officers lost in three years (80% due to resignations, not retirements) and 372 officers across all four units leaving service. He highlighted that SUNY police saved 1,011 lives in 2023 through mental health interventions and called for structural reforms to address fragmentation across 28 police departments.
Ms. Brabham industry informational
Private colleges and universities (specific title not stated)
Testified about the impact of federal FAFSA rollout delays on institutional financial aid offices. Noted that colleges cannot finalize aid packages or communicate with students due to lack of clear communication from the U.S. Department of Education. Stated that colleges will not receive student data until mid-to-late March.
Mr. Rowser advocate supportive
On Point for College (implied)
Mr. Rowser testified about On Point's comprehensive student support services, including FAFSA completion programs, transportation, and wraparound services like dental care. He noted the organization has not previously had access to federal TRIO funding despite applying, achieving a 98 percent success rate in their applications.
Félix V. Matos Rodríguez agency_official supportive
Chancellor, City University of New York
Chancellor Matos Rodríguez presented CUNY's strategic roadmap 'CUNY Lifting New York' and highlighted recent successes including record external research funding of $638 million, a $75 million Simons Foundation gift, and a $95 million nursing facility at Lehman College. He noted that more than 80% of CUNY's 50,000 annual graduates stay in the city and that CUNY alumni account for approximately $70 billion in annual earnings (close to 5% of state GDP). He addressed CUNY's structural deficit, reduced from $234 million to a projected $128 million, and discussed labor negotiations and enrollment recovery efforts.
CUNY Chancellor Matos Rodríguez agency_official informational
City University of New York
Chancellor Matos Rodríguez discussed CUNY's initiatives on antisemitism, campus climate, labor contract funding challenges, and support for Jewish students. He described the establishment of an Advisory Council on Jewish Life, a campus climate initiative pilot on seven campuses, and efforts to improve complaint reporting systems.
SUNY Chancellor John B. King Jr. agency_official informational
State University of New York
Chancellor King presented SUNY's budget priorities and addressed the SUNY Downstate restructuring plan. He detailed the $100 million deficit at Downstate and proposed a $300 million capital investment. He discussed workforce development, noting 600 microcredentials and acceleration of program approvals. He addressed campus enrollment challenges, particularly at Potsdam and Fredonia, and discussed potential housing projects at Farmingdale and Stony Brook campuses.
CUNY Chancellor Matos Rodríguez agency_official informational
City University of New York
Chancellor Matos Rodríguez discussed data-sharing agreements between CUNY and SUNY to improve student mobility and policy decisions. He emphasized the importance of privacy protections and guardrails in any data-sharing arrangement.
HESC Executive Vice President Gonzalez agency_official informational
Higher Education Services Corporation (HESC)
EVP Gonzalez provided supplementary information on HESC programs and committed to following up with specific data on the Child Welfare Worker Incentive Scholarship and Loan Forgiveness programs. She noted that Enhanced Tuition Award participants must freeze tuition rates and match funds, which affects college participation.
Dr. James Davis agency_official informational
City University of New York (CUNY)
Davis testified about CUNY's challenges with student retention, noting that CUNY community colleges lose 40 percent of students between Year 1 and Year 2, compared to 20 percent at four-year colleges. He emphasized that bringing in new students is only part of the equation; retention requires adequate resources including full-time faculty, mental health counselors, food security support, and academic advising. He also addressed concerns about executive compensation, noting that reining in top administrator salaries alone will not solve CUNY's fundamental funding problems.
Brad Hershenson advocate supportive
Graduate student at University at Albany; Business Agent, Graduate Student Employees' Union CWA Local 1104
Hershenson testified on behalf of nearly 5,000 graduate students across SUNY and other campuses, emphasizing their role as the backbone of SUNY education. He advocated for expansion of the Tuition Assistance Program, including restoration of Graduate TAP, raising income caps, expanding eligible costs (textbooks, laptops), and improving application processes. He noted graduate students teach 40% of SUNY classes and conduct critical research in AI, science, and technology.
Ms. Stelling-Gurnett industry informational
Higher education institution (specific title not stated)
Corroborated testimony about FAFSA delays and their impact on institutions and students' ability to make college choices. Agreed that communication from the U.S. Department of Education has been insufficient.
Ms. Alexandria Sisti public supportive
Student (implied scholarship recipient)
Ms. Sisti, a scholarship recipient, testified about barriers to FAFSA completion among disadvantaged students, particularly undocumented immigrants and students whose parents do not speak English. She emphasized the complexity of the FAFSA form and its impact on college access, noting that many peers avoid college due to confusion about financial aid forms.
Dr. Guillermo Linares agency_official informational
Higher Education Services Corporation (HESC)
HESC President Linares testified on the 2024-2025 budget for financial aid programs, highlighting TAP expansion, FAFSA completion initiatives, and recent system modernization. He addressed the independent student TAP overpayment issue discovered in 2021 and outlined corrective measures.
James Davis advocate opposed
Professional Staff Congress (PSC), CUNY
Dr. Davis testified that CUNY faces severe financial pressures despite $400 million in new operating aid over two budget cycles. He highlighted a net loss of 1,313 full-time employees from 2018-2022 despite hiring 575 new faculty, and described a crisis of student attrition and understaffing. He cited nine colleges of concern where classes are being canceled within a week of semester start and full-time faculty are being laid off on short-term contracts.
Mr. Craig Williams agency_official supportive
SUNY Community Colleges
Williams testified on behalf of community colleges, requesting $97 million in additional state funding to achieve a 50-25-25 funding model (state, county, student). He highlighted that community colleges serve higher percentages of Black, Latino, Asian, and rural white students than four-year institutions. He discussed the disparity in state aid per student ($2,600 annually for community college vs. $4,750 for four-year SUNY students) and emphasized the importance of workforce development programs, including non-credit certificate programs in healthcare and skilled trades.
Donna Stelling-Gurnett advocate supportive
President, Association of Private Colleges (APC)
Stelling-Gurnett testified in support of TAP expansion, particularly for part-time students at proprietary colleges. She cited a 15% decrease in TAP utilization since 2017 and advocated for raising income caps for TAP eligibility, allowing proprietary college students access to part-time TAP, and eliminating distinctions between dependent and independent students. She estimated part-time TAP expansion would impact approximately 2,500 students at a cost of $5.5 million.
Director McCartney advocate neutral
Law enforcement benevolent association (specific agency not stated)
Testified regarding a 20-year retirement bill that has passed nearly unanimously for several years but has not been enacted. Discussed specialized roles of different state police forces including Forest Rangers, Park Police, and Environmental Conservation Officers.
Dr. Ferdschneider advocate supportive
Unknown (implied foster youth advocate)
Dr. Ferdschneider testified on behalf of foster youth support in higher education. Assemblymember Eachus referenced personal experience with foster siblings and offered direct support to Dr. Ferdschneider's work.
Dr. Frederick Kowal advocate opposed
United University Professions (UUP)
Dr. Kowal testified that SUNY leadership failed to use $163 million in last year's operating aid to address structural deficits at 19 campuses. He called for $139 million directly allocated to 18 campuses facing structural deficits and strongly opposed the announced plan to close SUNY Downstate Hospital, characterizing it as poorly designed, drafted in secrecy, and harmful to Central Brooklyn's health and the medical school's education mission.
Mr. Sako agency_official supportive
Not specified in transcript
Sako briefly testified in response to Assemblywoman Clark's question about whether expanding TAP eligibility and benefits would increase enrollment, answering affirmatively.
Jennifer Tassler advocate supportive
Vice President for Government Relations and Strategic Affairs, New York State Academic Dental Centers (NYSDAC)
Tassler testified on behalf of NYSDAC, a consortium of six dental schools in New York State. She highlighted disparities in oral healthcare for individuals with intellectual and developmental disabilities (I/DD), noting only 10% of general-practice dentists regularly treat patients with moderate to severe I/DD. She described the Fellowship to Address Oral Health Disparities launched in 2021, which has trained three dentists with a goal of supporting six fellows annually. She requested continued funding for fellowships and support for programs like Doctors Across New York and Take A Look.
Arturo Soto advocate supportive
CUNY Coalition for Students with Disabilities
Testified on behalf of the CUNY Coalition for Students with Disabilities, representing more than 10,000 students with disabilities at CUNY. Urged inclusion of CUNY's $7 million request for students with disabilities and ADA compliance, restoration of $2 million for State Education Department's post-secondary services program, and $4 million for mental health services. Also supported passage of A2341/S1880 to allow students in federally recognized CTP programs to be eligible for TAP.
Allen Williams advocate opposed
New York Community College Trustees (NYCCT), Board Chair of Monroe Community College
Mr. Williams testified on behalf of the 30 SUNY community colleges, requesting $97 million in increased base operating aid. He documented significant disinvestment over 20 years ($2.5 billion) and inequitable funding: community college students receive $2,600 in state aid versus $19,000 for four-year SUNY students. He highlighted that community colleges educate 174,000 students (45% of SUNY undergraduates) and proposed the Empire State Community Workforce Guarantee to train 20,000 students annually.
Lola Brabham advocate opposed
President, Commission on Independent Colleges and Universities (CICU)
Brabham testified against the Executive Budget's proposed elimination of Bundy Aid for campuses with endowments greater than $750 million, calling it a misguided proposal that would harm students. She noted that 46% of independent-sector endowment spending goes to student aid and that Bundy Aid is outcome-based, funding campuses based on degrees conferred. She also advocated for TAP expansion, restoration of Graduate TAP, and increased funding for Educational Opportunity Programs. She cited federal threats to student aid including cuts to SEOG, work-study, and Pell grants.
Blair Horner advocate supportive
NYPIRG
Testified that higher education is a public good and economic anchor for communities. Criticized state policy for destabilizing the public college system through decoupling TAP from tuition increases, creating a 'TAP gap.' Called for boosting state aid, rejecting Governor's cuts to Opportunity Programs, freezing tuition, restoring Bundy Aid, and modernizing TAP by raising maximum awards, expanding to graduate students, raising income levels, and covering non-tuition costs.
Andrew Sako advocate opposed
Faculty Federation of Erie Community College, NYSUT board member
Mr. Sako thanked the Legislature for hold harmless language in last year's budget and discussed community colleges' role in workforce development and as economic engines. He noted that while community colleges bore the brunt of post-COVID enrollment declines, they are now seeing increases. He called for $100 million to expand the ASAP program to all 30 community colleges (currently only 13 are funded) and urged development of a realistic funding model.
Deidra Nesbeth advocate supportive
Fostering Youth Success Alliance
Testified about the Foster Youth College Success Initiative (FYCSI), established in 2015-16 budget. Reported 1,148 students currently accessing the initiative. Governor's budget includes $7.92 million; advocates request additional $2.08 million for total of $10 million. Cited higher retention and graduation rates for FYCSI recipients compared to peers with foster care experience and underrepresented minority groups.
Alexandria Sisti public supportive
District 1 Youth Advisory Board
Testified as a founding member of District 1 Youth Advisory Board representing underserved communities in Brentwood, Central Islip, and North Bay Shore on Long Island. Emphasized critical importance of TAP and Excelsior Scholarship for equitable access to higher education. Cited 17,000 economically disadvantaged students in Brentwood School District and 5,000 in Central Islip. Called for expanding Excelsior Scholarship to $150,000 income limit and indexing TAP minimum awards to inflation.
Dr. Marcy Ferdschneider academic supportive
Columbia University Student Health Center
Testified as Assistant Vice President of Student Health at Columbia University's Student Health Center on the Medical Center Campus. Presented composite scenarios of students experiencing disrupted mental health care due to state licensing restrictions when traveling out of state. Advocated for New York State to join the Interstate Medical License Compact to streamline licensing for medical providers and enable continuity of care for students.
Mr. Rowser advocate supportive
On Point for College
Testified on behalf of On Point for College, founded in 1999, requesting $500,000 in state funding. Reported serving more than 4,500 college graduates since founding, with graduates earning over $11 billion over their lifetimes. Currently serves 1,700-2,500 students in school at any given time, bringing in 300-500 new students annually. Operates in Onondaga, Madison, Cayuga, Oswego, Oneida, and Herkimer counties with partnership organizations in Manhattan and the Bronx.

Senator Engagement (47)

Senator Engagement Stance Focus Areas Summary
Chairwoman Krueger neutral Chairwoman Krueger provided closing remarks thanking attendees as the hearing concluded.
Chairwoman Weinstein neutral Hearing management and procedural oversight Chairwoman Weinstein managed the hearing proceedings, recognized speakers, and concluded the session, announcing the next joint budget hearing on mental health scheduled for February 13th at 9:30 a.m.
Sen. Chu skeptical SUNY Downstate staffing impacts specific job titles and positions affected by restructuring capacity of neighboring hospitals to absorb patients Sen. Chu pressed Chancellor King for specific details on the human impact of the 20 percent staffing reduction at Downstate, asking for job titles and positions. She sought clarification on whether neighboring hospitals like Maimonides could absorb increased patient volume, signaling concern about the restructuring plan's feasibility.
Sen. Dean Murray neutral Republican member introduction Introduced by ranking member O'Mara as joining the hearing but did not ask questions in the portions of the transcript provided.
Sen. Gustavo Rivera unclear Listed as present but did not ask questions in the portions of the transcript provided.
Sen. Iwen Chu unclear Listed as present but did not ask questions in the portions of the transcript provided.
Sen. Jackson opposed CUNY labor contract funding and default risk SUNY Opportunity Program funding cuts SUNY Downstate Medical Center preservation Sen. Jackson expressed concern about the state's budget priorities, questioning why the Opportunity Program is being cut when the state has a $232 billion budget and $20 billion in reserves. He emphasized the importance of saving Downstate Medical Center and demanded 'real talk' rather than 'fluff.'
Sen. Jackson supportive FAFSA completion rates and survey methodology Student access to financial aid programs Website improvements for program awareness Sen. Jackson pressed Dr. Linares on FAFSA completion, noting $200 million in federal funds at stake. He recommended surveying students at every school level to understand why FAFSA forms aren't being completed and offered to help disseminate information through his district's weekly updates.
Sen. Jackson opposed SUNY Downstate Medical Center closure Patient care and staff impacts Executive budget constraints Sen. Jackson strongly opposed the Downstate closure plan, using vivid language about the hospital 'drying up' and expressing concern about patient deaths and job losses. He urged union members to contact all state legislators and the Governor to pressure for a better transition plan.
Sen. Jackson skeptical 20-year retirement veto override strategy TAP funding levels and income thresholds Budget constraints Sen. Jackson, who chairs the Civil Service and Pensions Committee, expressed skepticism about the Governor's veto rationale and questioned whether there is political will to override it despite a supermajority. He pressed testifiers on specific TAP funding recommendations and current income thresholds, noting the need for concrete proposals.
Sen. Jackson supportive Legislative override of Governor On Point for College funding Sen. Jackson engaged with On Point for College regarding funding sources and partnerships, noting that both Senate and Assembly contributed $200,000 in recent years. He also referenced the 20-year retirement bill override discussion.
Sen. Jackson supportive Organization locations and affiliations Youth education and leadership development Equitable access to education across demographics Sen. Jackson asked clarifying questions about testifier affiliations and expressed strong support for youth education initiatives, emphasizing that quality education should be available regardless of race, ethnicity, or socioeconomic status.
Sen. John C. Liu unclear Listed as present but did not ask questions in the portions of the transcript provided.
Sen. Krueger skeptical SUNY Downstate memorandums of understanding with H+H capital funding specifics in the budget regional hospital planning and impacts on Brooklyn and Manhattan Opportunity Programs effectiveness SUNY and CUNY Foundation financial transparency staff salary transparency and public disclosure criminal justice and recidivism data tracking Chair Krueger demonstrated high skepticism about the Downstate plan, demanding memorandums of understanding, specific capital funding details, and evidence of community engagement. She raised concerns about regional hospital impacts, questioned whether Opportunity Programs are truly effective, and pressed for greater financial transparency from SUNY and CUNY foundations and staff salary disclosures.
Sen. Krueger skeptical SUNY Downstate financial crisis and community engagement Data-sharing between SUNY and CUNY TAP program funding and independent students HESC board structure and governance Sen. Krueger asked pointed questions about Downstate's relationship with Health + Hospitals, the lack of community involvement in planning, and the need for more detailed information. She also pressed on data-sharing guardrails and requested written responses to unresolved questions.
Sen. Krueger supportive TAP modernization Hearing management and procedural questions Sen. Krueger, as co-chair, managed the hearing and engaged substantively on TAP program modernization, echoing concerns about the need to update the program which has not changed in 25 years.
Sen. Krueger skeptical Administrative salaries and compensation Budget transparency Equity in sacrifice during austerity Sen. Krueger asked both union leaders about administrative compensation and budget breakdowns, expressing concern that high-paid administrators are not bearing their share of sacrifice during budget cuts while teaching staff and students bear the burden.
Sen. Krueger neutral Committee management Panel transitions Sen. Krueger served as chair and managed the hearing flow, introducing panels and recognizing speakers. Limited substantive engagement with testimony.
Sen. Krueger neutral Consolidation of state police forces Program approval delays Interstate Medical License Compact As chair, Sen. Krueger engaged substantively with testifiers. She questioned whether multiple specialized state police forces should consolidate into the State Troopers to gain 'power in numbers' for union negotiations. She also noted the State Education Department's IT system solution for program approvals was in development.
Sen. Lea Webb unclear Listed as present but did not ask questions in the portions of the transcript provided.
Sen. Liu neutral Labor contract funding history Impact of Supreme Court affirmative action ruling on Asian-American students Diversity initiatives Sen. Liu asked about historical state funding for labor contracts and pressed Chancellor King on progress regarding the impact of the Supreme Court affirmative action decision on Asian-American students, requesting hard numbers on recruitment and enrollment.
Sen. Liz Krueger neutral Co-chairing the hearing Introducing Senate members Managing time and procedures As co-chair of the Senate Finance Committee, Sen. Krueger co-presided over the hearing with Assemblywoman Weinstein, introduced Senate members, and managed procedural matters. She did not ask substantive questions during the portions of the transcript provided.
Sen. Murray neutral Migrant housing on campuses Project labor agreements Public-private partnerships for research Sen. Murray asked about migrant housing use on campuses, project labor agreement legislation, and research partnerships. He appeared satisfied with responses and did not signal strong opposition or support.
Sen. Murray supportive BOCES and CTE student pathways Public-private partnerships Workforce development Sen. Murray questioned whether BOCES and CTE students transition to community colleges and asked about public-private partnerships, expressing support for workforce development initiatives.
Sen. Murray supportive 20-year retirement for SUNY police Officer recruitment and retention Campus safety and officer stress Sen. Murray expressed strong support for the 20-year retirement, noting she fought for it years ago in the Assembly. She questioned whether campus unrest and violence contribute to officer departures and explored recruitment challenges, particularly competition from local agencies offering higher pay and existing 20-year pensions.
Sen. Murray neutral TAP income threshold policy Regional cost-of-living adjustments Inflation indexing Sen. Murray proposed basing TAP income thresholds on regional median income rather than a flat threshold, noting that $80,000 threshold is inadequate on Long Island but reasonable upstate. He engaged in substantive discussion with testifiers about the complexity and fairness of different approaches.
Sen. O'Mara supportive community college funding formula (one-third state, one-third county, one-third student) workforce development and program approval timelines financial support for non-degree workforce programs secondary education funding floor Sen. O'Mara, the ranking member, engaged substantively on community college funding equity and workforce development. He expressed strong support for workforce development initiatives and pressed for streamlined program approval processes. He advocated for restoring the secondary education funding floor and explored federal Pell Grant expansion for non-credit programs.
Sen. O'Mara supportive Community college funding disparity State aid per student comparison Equity in higher education funding Sen. O'Mara engaged deeply with the funding disparity data, establishing that community college students receive $2,600 in annual state aid versus $4,750 for four-year students, and argued that state assistance to community colleges should be increased given they serve lower-income students.
Sen. O'Mara skeptical 20-year retirement bill for law enforcement Program approval delays at State Education Department Nursing program approvals Accountability for Office of Professions Sen. O'Mara expressed frustration with the Legislature's inability to override the Governor on the 20-year retirement bill despite years of near-unanimous passage. He criticized the State Education Department's Office of Professions for excessive delays in approving new programs, citing Keuka College's nursing program stuck in review for over three years, and called for accountability measures.
Sen. Oberacker supportive tuition costs and affordability distribution of operating support to struggling campuses green energy projects on SUNY campuses Sen. Oberacker, representing a district with eight SUNY campuses, asked supportive questions about tuition reduction and campus funding distribution. He offered his district as a testing ground for green energy projects and expressed appreciation for SUNY's commitment to affordability.
Sen. Peter Oberacker neutral Republican member introduction Listed as present and introduced by ranking member O'Mara but did not ask questions in the portions of the transcript provided.
Sen. Rivera opposed Budget allocation for Downstate transformation Certificate of Need requirement Health Equity Impact Assessment requirement Community involvement process Sen. Rivera directly challenged Chancellor King on three points: the specific budget location for Downstate funding, the evasive answers on Certificate of Need and Health Equity Impact Assessments, and the inadequacy of community involvement. He indicated he has introduced legislation to require these processes for all institutions.
Sen. Robert Jackson unclear Listed as present but did not ask questions in the portions of the transcript provided.
Sen. Stavisky skeptical SUNY Downstate Medical Center transformation Certificate of Need process Health Equity Impact Assessment Community engagement process SUNY housing on campuses Sen. Stavisky, as committee chair, pressed Chancellor King on specific regulatory requirements for Downstate transformation, particularly regarding Certificate of Need and Health Equity Impact Assessments. She expressed concern about the adequacy of community engagement and demanded clarity on processes and timelines.
Sen. Stavisky neutral out-of-state tuition increases and enrollment impacts community college funding floor base year calculations hate crime reporting on campuses Sen. Stavisky asked follow-up questions on out-of-state tuition policy impacts and community college funding formulas. She referenced her own legislation on nursing simulation and requested verification that campuses are properly reporting hate crimes by individual campus.
Sen. Stavisky skeptical Independent student TAP eligibility and the $10,000 income threshold TAP overpayment to students and institutional billing Incarcerated students and Pell Grants HESC board governance and meeting frequency Sen. Stavisky challenged the adequacy of the $10,000 independent student threshold, questioned whether students would be held harmless from overpayment repayment demands, and criticized HESC's board structure with a four-year gap between meetings. She advocated for statutory changes to address independent student needs.
Sen. Stavisky supportive TAP modernization and income eligibility expansion CUNY faculty staffing and contract negotiations Sen. Stavisky advocated for raising TAP income eligibility from $80,000 to $110,000 or higher, noting the program hasn't changed in 25 years. She also questioned Dr. Davis about the loss of full-time faculty at Queens College and the midyear contract nonrenewals affecting 26 faculty members.
Sen. Stavisky skeptical SUNY Downstate Medical Center closure plan Lack of consultation on transformation plan Sen. Stavisky questioned the rushed timeline and lack of consultation regarding the Downstate closure plan, noting she received a phone call at 9:30 p.m. on MLK holiday announcing the plan.
Sen. Stavisky skeptical Bundy Aid rationale College closures (Saint Rose, Cazenovia) Independent TAP billing issues Enrollment trends Sen. Stavisky expressed skepticism about the Bundy Aid proposal, stating she hasn't figured out the rationale and doesn't see a relationship between endowments and students. She pressed CICU on college closures and questioned how colleges are being billed for HESC administrative errors, advocating that students be held harmless.
Sen. Stavisky supportive CUNY Coalition for Students with Disabilities CUNY LEADS program Sen. Stavisky praised the CUNY Coalition for Students with Disabilities and its leadership, noting she prefers to call them 'students with abilities' rather than disabilities. She highlighted the CUNY LEADS career and academic advisement program.
Sen. Thomas F. O'Mara neutral Introducing Republican members As ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, Sen. O'Mara introduced Republican members present (Sen. Peter Oberacker and Sen. Dean Murray) but did not ask substantive questions in the portions of the transcript provided.
Sen. Toby Stavisky skeptical SUNY Downstate hospital crisis Timeline of Downstate discussions Administrative leadership at Downstate Communication with stakeholders As Chair of the Senate Higher Education Committee, Sen. Stavisky asked pointed questions about SUNY Downstate's crisis, pressing Chancellor King on when discussions began, whether administration issues were addressed, and expressing concern that key stakeholders (including the Health Commissioner) learned about the plan through the media rather than direct notification. Her questions signal skepticism about the process and timeline.
Sen. Webb skeptical Distribution of $163 million operating aid increase Campus closures and faculty layoffs Community college funding disparities Communication about Downstate and Upstate facilities Sen. Webb questioned how the historic $163 million operating aid increase was distributed and why campuses are still closing and laying off faculty. She also raised concerns about communication from SUNY leadership regarding major facility changes and requested better information flow to legislators.
Sen. Webb supportive TAP program expansion and eligibility determination Nursing Faculty Loan Forgiveness Program funding Data sharing between agencies (DOH, OTDA, SED) Sen. Webb, a first-generation student, emphasized TAP's importance and asked about developing MOUs with DOH and OTDA to directly certify TAP eligibility using SNAP/Medicaid data. She also raised concerns about underfunding of the Nursing Faculty Loan Forgiveness Program and agreed to follow up offline.
Sen. Webb neutral $139 million capital funding allocation Community college workforce guarantee Operational capital funding Sen. Webb, a current UUP member, questioned how the $139 million in operational capital funding was distributed and asked about the community college workforce guarantee program.
Sen. Webb supportive Bundy Aid program cuts and impact Graduate student fees TAP award amounts vs. income thresholds Sen. Webb asked detailed questions about how Bundy Aid cuts would require program reductions and pressed on TAP award amounts, noting her own experience as a TAP and Pell recipient. She expressed support for graduate student fee relief achieved in prior year.
Sen. Weinstein supportive Foster Youth College Success Initiative funding Mental health services for students TAP program As co-chair, Sen. Weinstein managed the hearing and asked clarifying questions about FYCSI funding levels and student numbers served, as well as the scope of mental health service needs among college students.

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