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2024-01-31 JOINT LEGISLATIVE HEARING In the Matter of the 2024-2025 EXECUTIVE BUDGET ON HUMAN SERVICES Chair: Sen. Liz Krueger View full transcript → Archive

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NEW YORK STATE LEGISLATURE HEARS HOCHUL HUMAN SERVICES BUDGET PROPOSAL; LAWMAKERS PRESS ON CHILDCARE WORKFORCE CRISIS Albany — The New York State Senate Finance Committee and Assembly Ways and Means Committee held a joint hearing Wednesday on Governor Hochul's 2024-2025 Executive Budget for human services, with state officials touting record investments in childcare and anti-poverty programs while legislators raised concerns about persistent workforce compensation gaps. Acting OCFS Commissioner Suzanne Miles-Gustave highlighted the administration's historic commitment to childcare, noting that funding has increased 114.5 percent in three years—from $832 million in fiscal 2022 to nearly $1.8 billion in the proposed budget. The state has committed $7 billion over four years to childcare, with eligibility expanded to 85 percent of state median income, the federal maximum, and copays capped at 1 percent of family income above poverty level. However, Sen. Jabari Brisport, chair of the Senate Committee on Children and Families, challenged the adequacy of the proposal, noting that childcare slots have increased less than 3 percent from pandemic lows and that childcare workers earn less than 96 percent of occupations in New York State. He pressed Miles-Gustave on why the budget relies on temporary workforce bonuses rather than permanent wage increases. "The underlying crisis has not been addressed," Brisport said, citing the shortage of childcare providers that predates the pandemic. Miles-Gustave defended the administration's approach, noting that the market rate for childcare providers was increased to the 80th percentile from the 69th percentile, above the federal recommendation of 75 percent, and that some providers received over 30 percent increases. She pointed to the Governor's reconvened Childcare Availability Task Force as a vehicle for developing a framework for universal childcare. Assemblyman Andrew Hevesi, chair of the Assembly Committee on Children and Families, raised similar concerns about multiple underfunded workforces in human services. He noted that the domestic violence workforce has not received a cost-of-living adjustment since 2008 and questioned how the state would address compensation gaps across foster care, preventive services, and after-school programs. He introduced legislation to catch all parts of the human services workforce not eligible for COLA increases. Acting OTDA Commissioner Barbara Guinn presented the agency's budget proposal, which includes $50 million for anti-poverty initiatives in Rochester, Syracuse, and Buffalo; $128 million for homeless housing assistance; and $13 million to administer the Summer EBT program, expected to deliver over $200 million in federal benefits to more than 2 million children. The budget also allocates $23.7 million for year-round youth employment programs. Guinn reported that OTDA delivered $18 billion in pandemic emergency assistance and currently serves 600,000 individuals through Public Assistance, 2.8 million through SNAP, and collected $1.6 billion in child support on behalf of 615,000 families. The hearing, held January 31 in Albany, was the sixth in a series of joint fiscal committee hearings on the Governor's budget proposal. Additional testimony from advocates and service providers is scheduled for later in the day. NEW YORK STATE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE EXAMINES 2024-2025 HUMAN SERVICES BUDGET, FOCUSES ON CHILDCARE COSTS AND ASYLUM SEEKER FUNDING Albany — State legislators pressed human services officials Wednesday on persistent gaps in childcare affordability and the pace of asylum seeker shelter reimbursements during a joint legislative hearing on the 2024-2025 executive budget. Acting Commissioner Suzanne Miles-Gustave of the Office of Children and Family Services acknowledged that New York's childcare subsidy model still fails to compensate providers for the true cost of care, despite increased market-rate survey funding. Sen. Brisport cited an ILR Buffalo study showing the state's rates fall far short of actual childcare costs, and noted that 79 percent of respondents in a poll support public funding for universal childcare. "We are still under a market survey framework," Miles-Gustave said, adding that new market-rate data would be available in October. She defended the administration's approach, noting that federal barriers—including the failure of the Build Back Better bill—have prevented the state from moving toward true cost-of-care models. Brisport pressed the commissioner on why the Governor's budget did not address a decoupling bill the Governor had previously vetoed. The bill, which would decouple childcare assistance from strict work requirements, carries a $140 million price tag. Miles-Gustave said the administration remains open to discussing the issue but did not include it in the current budget proposal. Meanwhile, Acting Commissioner Barbara Guinn reported that only $325 million of the $1 billion allocated last year for asylum seeker shelter costs has been claimed through September 2023. Assemblywoman Davila pressed for clarity on the funding, noting that the 2024-2025 budget proposes $2.4 billion for the same purpose. Guinn said New York City expects to fully draw down the original $1 billion and that additional claims are pending. Sen. Persaud raised concerns about rising benefit denials in New York City despite reduced application backlogs, questioning whether the city was denying cases to artificially clear backlogs. Guinn said the agency would conduct a deeper review of denials and noted that some increases may stem from duplicate applications when cases are not processed quickly. On other fronts, Guinn announced that public assistance caseloads are projected to increase by 19,000 recipients, with the largest growth in the safety-net single population. She also reported that provisions implemented in August now allow the state to replace stolen SNAP and public assistance benefits—a response to widespread benefit skimming that has affected recipients statewide. The hearing also addressed after-school programs, with Sen. Liu noting that the current system serves only 34,000 students and calling for broader expansion. Miles-Gustave said the Governor's budget proposes an additional $17.7 million for the combined Advantage and Empire programs, bringing total funding to $100 million. On foster care, Assemblywoman Darling requested $10 million for the Foster Youth College Success Initiative, citing concerns that aging-out youth face housing and job insecurity. Miles-Gustave said the Governor's budget adds $3 million for prevention and older youth services, and noted the agency received a $2 million federal reallotment for the Chafee program serving older youth. NEW YORK — State human services officials faced sharp questioning Wednesday over anti-poverty funding distribution, after-school program delays, and the Raise the Age juvenile justice policy during a joint legislative budget hearing. Acting Commissioner Guinn of the Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance defended the administration's $50 million anti-poverty initiative, which allocates $25 million to Rochester, $12.2 million each to Syracuse and Buffalo. But Sen. Brouk of Rochester challenged the adequacy of the funding, noting that to match Buffalo's needs, Rochester would require $34 million annually. "We're looking at $25 million in one year," she said, questioning how one-time funding could address concentrated poverty. Sen. Cleare raised concerns that other high-poverty areas—South Central Brooklyn, South Bronx, and Harlem—were excluded from the initiative, urging a "more global approach to anti-poverty." Commissioner Guinn responded that the three cities were selected based on consistently high child poverty rates and noted the state's Child Poverty Reduction Advisory Council would make statewide recommendations by year's end. After-school program implementation drew criticism from multiple legislators. Assemblywoman Chandler-Waterman reported that community-based organizations have not received funds for previous school years while facing new contract cycles, creating staffing and wage crises. Commissioner Miles-Gustave acknowledged delays and said the combined Empire State and Advantage after-school program RFP would be released "in the next several weeks." Assemblywoman Byrnes, a former prosecutor, delivered pointed criticism of Raise the Age, citing increased teen violence and carjackings in her district. She questioned why the budget maintains the same funding as last year with no service changes. Commissioner Miles-Gustave defended the policy, noting New York was "one of the last two states" to raise the age of criminal responsibility and emphasizing the need for youth services rather than adult incarceration. Chair Krueger raised alarm over a New York Times report showing HRA benefit approval rates plummeting to 15 percent on time in New York City, asking whether inadequate administrative funding to local social services districts was the cause. Commissioner Guinn acknowledged the problem and said the state would examine denial rates more closely. On SNAP benefits, Sen. May asked about implementing a $100 minimum benefit supplement, which Commissioner Guinn said would require working through "accounting issues and technical issues" with EBT vendors but expressed willingness to collaborate. The hearing revealed significant implementation challenges across multiple human services programs and highlighted geographic disparities in funding that some legislators view as inadequate to address concentrated poverty and related social problems. NEW YORK STATE BUDGET HEARING EXAMINES HUMAN SERVICES SPENDING AMID $4 BILLION GAP Albany — State budget officials defended Governor Hochul's 2024-2025 Executive Budget proposal for human services on Wednesday, facing pointed questions from legislators about childcare funding implementation, food assistance adequacy, and support for vulnerable populations. Acting Commissioner Miles-Gustave of the Office of Children and Family Services reported that the state has spent $1.9 billion of a promised $7 billion childcare investment over four years, with $280 million in remaining pandemic funds allocated for workforce grants. However, Sen. Brisport pressed the commissioner on why workforce retention grant estimates were significantly overestimated last year, questioning why remaining funds were rolled over rather than distributed to workers. On food assistance, Acting Commissioner Guinn of the Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance acknowledged that New York's minimum SNAP benefit of $23 per month is insufficient, though he noted the program is indexed annually. Assemblywoman González-Rojas highlighted that New Jersey recently increased its rate to $95 monthly and expressed concern that a $2 million legislative add for the Nutrition Outreach and Education Program was not included in the Executive Budget, potentially affecting outreach in Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse. The state has disbursed $3.4 billion through the Emergency Rental Assistance Program to support 293,000 payments on behalf of low-income tenants, with $180 million remaining to be distributed. Commissioner Guinn also reported that $20 million has been used to replace stolen SNAP benefits under a law passed last year, with individuals eligible for replacement up to twice annually. On aging services, Greg Olsen of the New York State Office for the Aging highlighted the state's status as the first "age-friendly" state and described innovative programs including 27,000 animatronic pets distributed to older adults and 900 AI-powered ElliQ devices deployed statewide. The budget proposes $122 million in historic investments for older adults awaiting services since 2018. Reverend Viviana DeCohen of the Department of Veterans' Services reported that the Veterans Benefits Advising Program secured $68.47 million monthly—over $800 million annually—in recurring VA benefits through 35,000 filed claims in 2023. The state has delivered nearly 1.5 million fresh meals to veterans facing food insecurity and distributed 15,000 pairs of socks through partnerships. Assemblywoman Lunsford raised concerns about the financial impact of Child Victims Act claims on foster care agencies, noting over 800 claims against providers serving 90,000 children statewide, with 40 percent of claims lacking insurance coverage. Commissioner Miles-Gustave acknowledged the unintended consequences and said the state is working with providers on potential solutions. The hearing, held before the Joint Legislative Finance Committee, continues through April 1, when the final budget is due. NEW YORK STATE LEGISLATURE — Lawmakers sharply questioned state officials on Wednesday over proposed budget cuts to aging and veterans services, with particular focus on the elimination of funding for critical programs serving vulnerable populations. At a joint legislative hearing on the 2024-2025 executive budget, State Office for the Aging Director Greg Olsen faced sustained questioning from Sen. Leroy Cleare about a proposed $2.5 million cut to the Long-Term Care Ombudsman Program, which currently fails to reach 88 percent of adult care facilities with the state-mandated weekly visits. Cleare noted that an additional $15 million would be needed to meet the program's goals. Olsen acknowledged the cuts but characterized them as part of ongoing budget negotiations, noting that the state faces a $4 billion deficit. He said the office received $178 million in state funding plus $7.3 million in federal funds, and that counties still have nearly $50 million in unobligated pandemic relief funds available through September. The hearing also revealed significant gaps in aging services funding. Cleare highlighted that 16,000 individuals and families are waiting for non-Medicaid home and community-based care, while the Governor's budget eliminates a $9.3 million legislative add to the program. Olsen estimated that $40-50 million would be needed to clear waiting lists if workforce were available. On veterans services, Department of Veterans Services Commissioner Cecilia DeCohen reported significant achievements, including securing $68.47 million in monthly federal benefits for veterans—an increase tied to 8,000 additional claims processed compared to 2022. She announced that three mobile service vans are rolling out and that 39 veteran organizations received grants in the first round of the Veterans Nonprofit Capital Fund Program. However, Sen. Ashby challenged DeCohen on a $2.4 million budget cut to the department, which was elevated to full department status in 2022. Ashby also noted that over $3 million in tax checkoff funds designated for veterans nursing homes and burial services have gone undisbursed over six years. DeCohen said the department would address the issue but did not specify which programs might be cut. Assemblyman Jones emphasized the return on investment in aging services, noting that the average person served costs under $10,000 over five to seven years while saving Medicaid dollars. He questioned why the state doesn't recognize this value, particularly given that over 440,000 of New York's seniors are veterans. The hearing is the first in the budget negotiation process, which typically extends through the end of the fiscal year. NEW YORK STATE BUDGET HEARING HIGHLIGHTS DISPUTE OVER VETERANS FUNDING CUTS A joint legislative hearing on the 2024-2025 Executive Budget for human services devolved into a heated debate over whether proposed reductions to veterans programs constitute actual cuts, with Republican senators challenging the characterization while agency officials insisted no cuts were being made. The dispute centered on approximately $2.4 million in proposed reductions to the New York State Division of Veterans' Services, along with 18 legislative add-ons totaling $3.4 million that were zeroed out in the Executive Budget. These include funding for programs such as Helmets to Hardhats, the North Country Veterans Association, and the Vietnam Veterans of America. DVS Commissioner DeCOHEN repeatedly testified that these are not cuts but rather "legislative adds" that are not included in the Executive Budget and will be renegotiated during final budget discussions. "There has not been any cuts for our veterans," he stated. "This Governor is very well aware of the dignity and what our veterans have earned and deserve." However, Sen. Stec challenged this characterization, noting that the 2024 enacted budget allocated $1.1 million for homeless veterans housing while the Governor's proposed 2025 budget cuts that to $500,000. "It's a cut," Stec said bluntly. "The 2024 enacted budget is 1.1 million, and the Governor's proposed 2025 budget is 500,000. How's that not a cut?" He also drew a sharp contrast with the proposed $2.4 billion allocation for New York City immigrant services, asking: "How does that jibe for the 700,000 veterans?" Sen. Weik similarly expressed skepticism, stating: "I appreciate your rose-colored glasses approach to this, but it's still a cut. And we still need more money. Our veterans have been neglected and underfunded for a very long time." The Commissioner highlighted several initiatives he said demonstrate the Governor's commitment to veterans, including doubling Dwyer Program funding to $8 million, a 150% increase in county veterans officer funding (from $10,000 to $25,000), and the distribution of 10,000 welcome-home letters to newly identified veterans. He noted that 39 veteran organizations have been awarded capital grants, with an additional $2.6 million to be distributed in increments of $25,000 to $75,000. On aging services, NYSOFA Director Olsen testified about the office's initiatives, including deployment of 900 ElliQ AI companion units—making New York the first state agency in the country to do so. He discussed workforce development programs for older workers, noting that 75% of older adults consider themselves very healthy and active. He also highlighted that 60 of 62 counties now have Elder Mistreatment Delivery Team programs. Sen. Krueger raised concerns about funding equity, noting that while 40% of older New Yorkers live in New York City, the city receives only 35% of SOFA funds. She requested detailed data on county-by-county waitlists for in-home services, case management, and home meals. Assemblyman Manktelow advocated for restoring $150,000 in funding for the Boys State program, which was last appropriated in 2019, and requested support for veterans nursing home legislation. Assemblywoman González-Rojas highlighted that the aging services budget represents less than 8/10ths of 1% of the entire state budget, despite older New Yorkers spending approximately $72 billion annually in the state economy. The hearing, held on January 31, 2024, before the Finance Committee, underscored ongoing tensions between the Legislature and the Executive over budget priorities for vulnerable populations. NEW YORK STATE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE — Aging advocates and service providers sharply criticized the 2024-2025 Executive Budget on Wednesday, warning that proposed cuts to senior services and long-term care oversight will leave vulnerable older New Yorkers without adequate support as the state's 65-plus population surges. The joint legislative hearing on human services revealed a significant gap between the state's aging crisis and budget allocations. Between 2010 and 2020, New York's 65-plus population grew over 30 percent, yet the Governor's budget cuts $2.5 million from the Long-Term Care Ombudsman program—a move advocates called "a travesty." AARP New York requested $51 million for aging services, including $42 million to eliminate waiting lists for non-Medicaid home and community-based services and $9 million to restore prior cuts. The organization also demanded $15 million for the ombudsman program to achieve weekly visits to every nursing home, as recommended by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. Currently, only 12 percent of nursing homes receive weekly visits. Marcella Goheen, founder of Essential Care Visitor, testified emotionally about her husband's eight-year institutionalization with a neurodegenerative disorder. She highlighted that New York's aging population contributes $72 billion annually to state and city taxes, yet faces inadequate support. She cited 4.1 million family caregivers providing five to seven hours daily of uncompensated care valued at $4.1 billion. Ann Marie Cook, CEO of Lifespan of Greater Rochester, said the budget "in no way will meet the needs of older adults who need our help right now." She noted that community-based aging services cost less than $10,000 per person annually—compared to $140,000 in nursing homes—while serving people an average of 6.5 years. Sen. Cordell Cleare pressed state officials on housing affordability for seniors and dental care access, questioning whether state funding was being supplanted by federal dollars. NYSOFA Director Greg Olsen clarified that federal funding represents the least amount received and that the state organized nationally to secure a $1.8 billion federal increase. On veterans services, Assemblymember Burdick raised concerns about the lack of gynecological services at the Montrose veterans facility, while Sen. Scarcella-Spanton advocated for a comprehensive veterans resource registry to better connect service members and families to benefits. Advocates also called for SNAP benefit increases from $23 to $100 minimum, data matching for prescription drug programs, and restoration of funding for the Patients' Rights Helpline. The hearing underscored tensions between budget constraints and growing demand for aging services across New York. NEW YORK STATE LEGISLATURE — Advocates and service providers testified before a joint Senate-Assembly committee on Wednesday that the state's 2024-2025 executive budget fails to adequately fund critical human services, particularly for childcare workers and aging populations, despite acknowledging the essential nature of these services. The hearing, held by the Finance Committee, revealed stark disparities in compensation and service capacity. Family childcare educators in New York City earn only $10.61 per hour according to a New School study, while human service workers earn 70 percent of what government employees make for identical roles, according to testimony from the Chinese-American Planning Council. Witnesses described a long-term care system under strain. Approximately 18,000 older New Yorkers are waiting for aging services, with an estimated $51 million needed to serve them, according to a Long-term Care Ombudsman. The Long-term Care Ombudsman Program itself reaches only 12 percent of nursing homes statewide, a figure that drew sharp criticism from Assemblyman Hevesi, who called it "a disgrace." Childcare advocates presented a unified message: the executive budget allocates no new funds for childcare workforce compensation, instead only redirecting leftover federal pandemic funds. Steven Morales of All Our Kin called for a permanent $1.2 billion Childcare Workers Fund, warning that without sustained investment, educators will continue leaving the field for retail and food service jobs. Marcella Goheen, a family caregiver whose husband has been in a nursing home for eight years, testified about post-COVID trauma affecting both formal and informal caregivers. She described conditions where nursing home staff refuse to mobilize residents out of bed, citing fairness concerns about not being able to move everyone. Sen. Brisport pressed witnesses on whether pandemic-era stabilization grants were sufficient, with all panelists agreeing they were temporary fixes requiring permanent solutions. Meredith Chimento of the Early Care & Learning Council noted that while the budget includes $1.7 million for Infant Toddler Mental Health Consultants, this funds only cost-of-living adjustments for existing staff, not the requested $4.5 million for 26 additional consultants. Chairwoman Krueger explored whether the Justice Center, which oversees vulnerable populations in institutional settings, should be expanded to oversee nursing homes—a proposal that drew mixed reactions from witnesses but appeared to have the chair's support. The hearing underscored a recurring theme: while legislators and the governor acknowledge the importance of human services, the budget fails to match rhetoric with resources, leaving workers in poverty-level wages and vulnerable populations without adequate support. New York State lawmakers heard urgent testimony Wednesday about critical gaps in childcare workforce compensation, child welfare funding, and early childhood services as they prepare the 2024-2025 budget. The hearing before the joint Finance Committee revealed a sector in crisis despite recent state investments. Researchers from Cornell ILR Buffalo Co-Lab presented data showing that while childcare capacity increased modestly since 2021—with a net gain of 75 licensed providers and 18,731 slots—the gains masked troubling disparities. Family daycare providers lost 381 establishments and nearly 3,000 slots, while growth concentrated in group family daycare. The study found that a $1 billion investment in childcare would generate $1.8 billion in economic activity and 20,300 jobs, but only if the workforce crisis is addressed. Multiple advocates called for a permanent childcare workforce compensation fund, with Cornell researchers proposing that raising all childcare workers below $23.55 per hour to that level—plus 20 percent retention raises for those already at that threshold—would cost approximately $800 million annually. Testifiers emphasized that without addressing worker compensation, increased capacity means nothing if providers cannot staff their programs. Child welfare organizations sounded an alarm about the Child Victims Act, warning that without state intervention, providers could lose liability insurance and be forced to close. Michelle Newman of COFCCA, representing over 100 nonprofit child welfare agencies, noted that insurance coverage cannot be found in 40 percent of cases and that one Long Island provider is already facing bankruptcy. Sen. Murray expressed strong support for Article VII language protecting agencies from private right of action lawsuits, citing potential damages in the $30 million range. Sen. Brisport challenged the state's $140 million cost estimate for the decoupling bill, which would decouple childcare assistance from parents' work hours, suggesting the figure overestimates actual costs. Advocates also highlighted disparities in early childhood investment. The Education Trust-New York reported that while the state spends $23.9 billion on early childhood programs, only $5.26 billion goes to childcare, family support, and prevention. The Bridge Project testified about child poverty rates, noting that in Rochester, Buffalo, and Syracuse, one in two children lives in poverty. Legislators heard support for several bills, including S8374 to remove federal poverty level caps on income disregards, the Hevesi-Persaud bill to increase COLA funding, and the MILC bill to create a cash-transfer program for low-income mothers. The hearing underscored the interconnected nature of workforce, funding, and policy barriers affecting vulnerable New York families. New York State legislators heard urgent testimony on Wednesday about significant funding gaps and wage disparities affecting vulnerable populations across human services, from HIV-positive individuals seeking housing assistance to underpaid childcare workers. The most striking testimony came from Perry Junjulas of the Albany Damien Center, who revealed a fiscal paradox: an analysis by the state's Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance (OTDA) shows that providing rental assistance to low-income people with HIV outside New York City would cost just $3 million in the first year while generating $4 million in Medicaid savings—yet the state has failed to implement the policy despite including similar language in budgets for the past five years. "This language allows but does not require local departments of social services to provide meaningful HIV housing assistance," Junjulas testified, calling for a change from permissive "may" language to mandatory "shall" language in state law. The HIV housing crisis extends to aging populations. MJ Okma of SAGE reported that 73 percent of New Yorkers living with HIV are estimated to be over 50 by 2030, with 17 percent of new diagnoses last year occurring in people over 50. SAGE requested $600,000 in combined renewal and new funding to expand services for aging LGBTQ+ New Yorkers and those aging with HIV. A second major theme involved stark wage disparities in supportive housing programs. Stephen Piasecki of the Supportive Housing Network detailed how the legacy New York State Supportive Housing Program (NYSSHP) funds services at as little as $2,700 per person annually, while the newer Empire State Supportive Housing Initiative (ESSHI) provides $25,000—a tenfold difference. Of NYSSHP's 20,000 units statewide, 9,000 have no other funding source, and 7,000 lack rental assistance. Both Piasecki and Gabriela Sandoval Requena of New Destiny Housing, which serves domestic violence survivors, requested $32 million to begin a five-year plan to bring NYSSHP to parity with ESSHI. Childcare workforce compensation emerged as another critical issue. Lauren Melodia, an economist at The New School's Center for New York City Affairs, presented data showing home-based childcare providers earned a median $10.61 per hour in New York City in 2021—below the $15 minimum wage—while center-based workers earned $5 less per hour than high school diploma holders earning $18.50. She requested legislation to develop an alternative cost-estimation methodology for childcare vouchers and expansion of the Workforce Compensation Fund with a permanent $12,500 wage subsidy per worker. She noted the state has $13.3 billion in budget reserves available. Erin Brigid of Equality New York cited UCLA data showing 5.5 percent of the state's population—approximately 853,000 people—identify as LGBTQI+, and requested $100,000 for cultural sensitivity training and a Know Your Rights campaign targeting BIPOC LGBTQ+ communities. Reverend Paul Fleck of Immigration Law & Justice New York raised transparency concerns about the $2.4 billion allocated in the budget for immigrant services, noting that $325 million of a previous $1 billion allocation was spent in New York City. He advocated for the Access to Representation Act, citing evidence that people with legal representation in deportation proceedings are 10 times more likely to win their cases. Assemblyman Hevesi pressed Junjulas on why the state hasn't acted on the OTDA analysis, noting that "one would have hoped it would have been reflected in this year's budget." Chairwoman Krueger requested detailed charts showing the different categories of supportive housing contracts and their payment disparities, expressing frustration that legislators don't fully understand "the actual universe" of programs they're funding. Senator Cleare made an impassioned statement about the undervalued nature of childcare and elder care work, saying "there's value to that that people kind of miss and just disregard." New York State legislators heard urgent pleas for increased funding across multiple human services sectors during a joint Finance Committee hearing on the 2024-2025 Executive Budget, with advocates warning of critical workforce shortages, unmet service demands, and generational cycles of poverty and abuse that remain unbroken. The hearing revealed stark funding gaps across domestic violence services, child advocacy, veteran support, and nutrition assistance programs. Joan Gerhardt of the New York State Coalition Against Domestic Violence testified that federal VOCA funding has plummeted $121.6 million over five years—a 61 percent loss—while DV and sexual assault programs shed 1,200 employees between 2020 and 2021. She noted that on a single day in 2022, nearly 1,000 people seeking DV services were turned away. Gerhardt urged the Legislature to include DV advocates in the Governor's proposed cost-of-living adjustment, which currently excludes them. Dr. Daniele Lyman-Torres of Bivona Child Advocacy Center in Rochester painted a dire picture of child abuse in western New York, where her center serves over 60 percent of the region's abuse victims despite receiving less than $270,000 annually from a $4 million operating budget. She cited alarming statistics: one in seven children experiences abuse, child fatalities in Monroe County have more than doubled in three years, and abused children are nine times more likely to engage in criminal activity. Lyman-Torres requested at least $10 million in CAC funding and emphasized the need for prevention-focused interventions. Gavin Walters, a U.S. Air Force veteran and Dwyer Program facilitator, testified that the 62-county veteran reintegration program has prevented suicides among participants but faces severe resource constraints. He described veterans forced to choose between mental health services and gas money to reach clinics, and requested $2.1 million in additional funding to address food insecurity, housing crises, and transportation barriers. Sen. Scarcella-Spanton, chair of Veterans Affairs, committed to submitting a letter supporting the funding request. Krista Hesdorfer of Hunger Solutions New York highlighted that SNAP outreach provides a 27-fold return on state investment but warned that $2 million in additional NOEP funding allocated last year is not sustained in the Executive Budget. Without restoration, services would be reduced in nine counties and eliminated entirely in seven others. She also advocated for universal school meals, noting 320,000 students remain without free meals. Several legislators signaled strong support for the advocates' requests. Sen. Roxanne Persaud pledged to fight for veteran and DV funding, while Assemblyman Hevesi expressed frustration that the state has not increased DV workforce pay since 2008 and questioned why New York/New York supportive housing agreements have lapsed. The hearing underscored a recurring theme: existing programs serving vulnerable populations remain chronically underfunded despite documented success in breaking cycles of poverty, abuse, and homelessness. NEW YORK — Human services providers testified before the State Senate Finance Committee on January 31 that they have been systematically excluded from cost-of-living adjustments for over 15 years, a gap that has contributed to the loss of 1,200 positions in the sector, according to testimony during a joint legislative hearing on the 2024-2025 Executive Budget. Ms. Gerhardt, representing a human service group, stated that her organization was excluded from COLA adjustments when it was formed in 2008 and "has never received a COLA, period." Assemblyman Hevesi responded sharply to the testimony, calling the situation "outrageous" and "absolutely devastating." Hevesi urged his colleagues to make human services providers a top priority in the upcoming budget, emphasizing that the sector's deterioration threatens service delivery to children and families. He referenced testimony from Ms. Torres about breaking cycles of intergenerational poverty, arguing that budget cuts risk perpetuating hardship across generations. Sen. Krueger, who chaired the hearing, acknowledged the testimony and indicated the committee would continue its budget review, scheduling an education-focused hearing for the following morning at 9:30 a.m. in the same location. The hearing concluded at 5:45 p.m. after testimony from multiple panelists on human services funding.

Topic Summary

Joint fiscal committees of the New York State Legislature held a hearing on Governor Hochul's proposed 2024-2025 Executive Budget for human services. The hearing focused on childcare assistance, child welfare, temporary and disability assistance, aging services, and related programs. Government officials testified on budget proposals totaling billions in investments, while advocates and service providers raised concerns about workforce compensation and service gaps.

Testimony (57)

Suzanne Miles-Gustave agency_official supportive
Acting Commissioner, New York State Office of Children and Family Services (OCFS)
Miles-Gustave presented the Governor's budget proposal for OCFS, highlighting record investments in childcare assistance, workforce supports, and child welfare services. She emphasized the administration's commitment to equity and detailed increases in childcare eligibility to 85% of state median income, $1.8 billion in childcare assistance funding, $280 million in workforce retention grants, and investments in after-school programming and infant health initiatives.
Acting Commissioner Suzanne Miles-Gustave agency_official informational
Office of Children and Family Services (OCFS)
Commissioner Miles-Gustave testified on childcare funding and market-rate surveys. She acknowledged that New York's childcare model does not yet compensate providers for the true cost of care, citing federal barriers and the failure of the Build Back Better bill. She discussed proposed investments including $5 million for family childcare networks and efforts to improve childcare accessibility through online prescreeners and applications.
Acting Commissioner Guinn agency_official informational
Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance (OTDA)
Commissioner Guinn addressed questions about SNAP minimum benefit supplements, implementation of anti-poverty funding for Rochester, Syracuse, and Buffalo, EBT skimming reimbursements, and eligibility approval rates for benefits. She discussed the flexibility of anti-poverty funding and plans for evaluation, as well as workforce challenges in social services districts.
Acting Commissioner Miles-Gustave agency_official informational
Office of Children and Family Services (OCFS)
Testified on OCFS budget proposals including Raise the Age implementation, childcare subsidies, and workforce stabilization grants. Noted overall decreases in juvenile crime and gun violence post-COVID. Discussed $7 billion childcare investment over four years, with over $1 billion spent last year and $1.9 billion this year. Addressed differential payment rates for accredited childcare providers and workforce retention grant challenges.
NYSOFA Director Olsen agency_official informational
New York State Office for the Aging
Director Olsen provided testimony on NYSOFA's budget and programs. He clarified that the office received approximately $178 million in state funding plus $7.3 million in additional federal funds, and noted that counties still have nearly $50 million in unobligated ARPA funds available through September 2024. He discussed the Master Plan on Aging, funding formulas for New York City services, home care wage increases, and the Long-Term Care Ombudsman Program.
DVS Commissioner DeCOHEN agency_official supportive
New York State Division of Veterans' Services
Commissioner DeCOHEN testified on behalf of DVS regarding the 2024-2025 budget. He emphasized that proposed reductions are not actual cuts but rather legislative adds not included in the Executive Budget that will be renegotiated in final budget discussions. He highlighted increased funding for the Dwyer Program ($8 million), a 150% increase in county veterans officer funding (from $10,000 to $25,000), and various veteran services including food distribution, Operation Baby, FreshConnect checks, and mobile services.
DVS Commissioner DeCOHEN agency_official informational
New York Department of Veterans Services
Commissioner DeCOHEN discussed veterans services including housing programs, women veterans services at state homes, and initiatives to identify and serve World War II and Korean War veterans. Addressed concerns about lack of gynecological services at Montrose facility and outlined plans for collaboration with state homes.
Marcella Goheen advocate supportive
Family caregiver advocate; husband in long-term care facility
Goheen testified about the trauma and PTSD experienced by both formal and informal caregivers post-COVID, describing conditions in nursing homes where staff are not mobilizing residents due to fairness concerns. She advocated for peer-to-peer family caregiver support programs and discussed her family's 150-member family council model that could be scaled statewide.
Steve Peraza academic informational
Cornell ILR Buffalo Co-Lab
Peraza presented findings from Cornell ILR Buffalo Co-Lab's study on the status of childcare in New York State. He reported that while childcare capacity increased modestly since 2021, the industry experienced uneven results with meaningful losses in upstate counties and low-income communities. He highlighted that group family daycare providers grew significantly while family daycare providers declined substantially. Peraza emphasized the high economic return on childcare investment and proposed a childcare compensation fund.
Jenn O'Connor advocate supportive
Raising NY
O'Connor testified on behalf of Raising NY, a coalition supporting childcare, home visiting, and Early Intervention workforces statewide. She emphasized the importance of workforce compensation and described the 'serve and return' interaction model for early childhood development, explaining how responsive adult-child interactions strengthen relationships and mitigate adverse childhood experiences.
Ms. Melodia advocate supportive
Not specified
Testified about the need to boost wages in health and human services, particularly for family childcare providers who are predominantly women of color. Emphasized that family childcare providers lack employment contracts and wage protections, and called for the state to establish a cost-estimation model with a wage floor.
Ms. Gerhardt advocate opposed
Human service group/provider (not fully specified)
Ms. Gerhardt testified that her human service group was excluded from COLA adjustments since 2008 and has never received a cost-of-living adjustment. She indicated the organization has experienced significant staffing losses.
Barbara Guinn agency_official supportive
Acting Commissioner, New York State Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance (OTDA)
Guinn testified on OTDA's role in delivering economic assistance and support to low-income New Yorkers. She highlighted pandemic relief efforts, current program enrollment numbers, and budget proposals including $50 million for anti-poverty initiatives in Rochester, Syracuse, and Buffalo; $128 million for homeless housing; Summer EBT program funding of $13 million; and $23.7 million for youth employment programs.
Acting Commissioner Barbara Guinn agency_official informational
Department of Social Services (DSS)
Commissioner Guinn testified on public assistance caseload increases, asylum seeker shelter funding, and benefit security. She reported that public assistance caseloads are projected to increase by 19,000 recipients, with the largest increase in the safety-net single population. On asylum seeker costs, she stated that $325 million of the $1 billion allocated last year has been claimed through September 2023, with additional claims expected.
Acting Commissioner Miles-Gustave agency_official informational
Office of Children and Family Services (OCFS)
Commissioner Miles-Gustave testified on childcare assistance programs, after-school initiatives, Raise the Age implementation, and employer-supported childcare. She discussed federal funding limitations for undocumented families, the Employer Supported Child Care Tax Credit program, and efforts to combine Empire State and Advantage after-school programs.
Acting Commissioner Guinn agency_official informational
Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance (OTDA)
Testified on SNAP benefits, emergency rental assistance, migrant services, and supportive housing. Noted minimum SNAP benefit of $23 per month and stated SNAP program is indexed annually. Reported $3.4 billion disbursed for emergency rental assistance to 293,000 payments on behalf of low-income tenants. Discussed $2.4 billion migrant assistance budget focused primarily on New York City temporary housing and services.
DVS Commissioner DeCohen agency_official informational
New York State Department of Veterans Services
Commissioner DeCohen testified on DVS programs and initiatives. She discussed the pending rollout of the $1.1 million emergency and temporary housing program, the delayed homeless veterans report (due within 30-60 days), the Discharge Upgrade Advisory Board's restoration of honors program (50 upgrades to date), the Veterans Nonprofit Capital Fund Program (39 organizations in first round, second round deadline April 19), digitalized kiosks (13 deployed, expanding to 13+), and the Veterans Benefits Advising Program's success in securing $68.47 million in monthly benefits with an 8,000 claim increase from 2022.
NYSOFA Director OLSEN agency_official informational
New York State Office for the Aging
Director OLSEN testified on NYSOFA's budget and aging services. He discussed the Elder Justice Coordinating Council, workforce development initiatives for older workers, partnerships with federal programs, the ElliQ AI companion program (900 units deployed), ombudsman programs, and long-term care services. He emphasized the need for a prevention-focused system and noted that NYSOFA serves older adults through various programs including in-home services, case management, and home meals.
NYSOFA Director OLSEN agency_official informational
New York State Office for the Aging
Director Olsen discussed senior housing needs, dental care expansion, and funding streams for aging services. Addressed concerns about federal versus state funding, clarifying that state funding is not being supplanted by federal dollars. Discussed the Governor's $25 billion five-year Housing Plan and the need for 800,000 housing units.
Name not provided (referred to as Ms. Myers) advocate supportive
Patients' Rights Helpline
Myers described a case where an Albany County resident was incorrectly denied Medicare coverage and told to apply for Medicaid, requiring hours of intervention to resolve. She emphasized the critical need for expanded ombudsman programs to help residents understand and enforce their rights.
Therese Daly advocate supportive
NYATEP (New York Association for Training and Employment Professionals)
Daly testified on behalf of NYATEP, representing education, job training, and employment providers. She expressed support for the fiscal year 2024 enacted budget's income disregard provision but raised concerns about the 200 percent federal poverty level cap, which she argued excludes individuals in New York City and Long Island. She advocated for passage of S8374 to remove this cap and urged the state to spend down the $150 million in workforce grants that have been largely unallocated.
Ms. Rivenburgh advocate supportive
Boys and Girls Clubs
Rivenburgh testified regarding the importance of timely RFP release and expressed support for the After-School Network's request for additional ALEP funding of $219 million above the current $100 million in the budget.
Reverend Fleck advocate supportive
Not specified in this excerpt
Testified about immigration legal services and the Access to Representation Act. Discussed the organization's clinic locations across multiple boroughs and counties, and identified attorney capacity as the major impediment to expanding services.
Ms. Torres advocate neutral
Not specified in excerpt
Ms. Torres made remarks referenced by Assemblyman Hevesi regarding breaking cycles of poverty and intergenerational transmission of hardship.
Greg Olsen agency_official supportive
New York State Office for the Aging (NYSOFA)
Testified on aging services and initiatives in the Executive Budget. Highlighted New York's status as first age-friendly state (2018) and ongoing Master Plan for Aging. Described multiple innovative programs including animatronic pets (27,000 distributed), GetSetUp classes (4,500 participants), Virtual Senior Centers, AI technology (ElliQ with 900+ units), and partnerships addressing isolation and loneliness. Noted $23 million in historic investments for older adults awaiting services since 2018, bringing total to $122 million.
Beth Finkel advocate opposed
AARP New York, State Director
Finkel testified on behalf of AARP regarding aging services funding. Requested $51 million for EISEP services ($42 million to eliminate waitlist, $9 million to restore prior cuts). Advocated for $15 million for Long-Term Care Ombudsman program, data matching for EPIC and HEAP, and food stamp increases.
Name not provided (referred to as Ms. Cook) agency_official informational
Long-term care ombudsman (Finger Lakes region)
Cook testified about ombudsman services in a nine-county Finger Lakes region, noting informal peer-to-peer support through resident councils. She later estimated approximately 18,000 older New Yorkers waiting for services and stated it would cost about $51 million to serve them.
Michelle Newman advocate opposed
COFCCA (Council of Family and Child Caring Agencies)
Newman testified on behalf of COFCCA, representing over 100 nonprofit child welfare organizations. She highlighted critical funding gaps and the existential threat posed by Child Victims Act settlements. She advocated for a 3.2 percent COLA instead of the proposed 1.5 percent, support for the Hevesi-Persaud bill, and creation of a Child Victims Act settlement fund. She also flagged a proposed $125 million cost savings in health homes serving children as problematic.
Ms. Ryan advocate supportive
Not specified
Ryan addressed childcare accessibility challenges in rural areas like the Adirondacks, emphasizing that transportation barriers require building childcare capacity close to families through family and group family childcare models rather than relying on transportation solutions.
Mr. Piasecki advocate supportive
Not specified
Testified on supportive housing, noting that the ESSHI program is on target at the state level. Emphasized the need to preserve existing supportive housing resources while building new units, and highlighted that existing NYSSHP-funded programs lack safety measures that newer programs can include from the start.
Reverend Viviana DeCohen agency_official supportive
New York State Department of Veterans' Services (DVS)
Testified on veterans services and accomplishments. Highlighted opening of New York's first State Veterans Cemetery, Veterans Memorial Registry website, and capital grants to nonprofit veterans organizations. Reported Veterans Benefits Advising Program secured $68.47 million monthly ($800+ million annually) in recurring VA benefits through 35,000 filed claims in 2023. Noted delivery of nearly 1.5 million fresh meals to veterans facing food insecurity and distribution of 15,000 pairs of socks through Sock It To Me program.
Gail Myers advocate opposed
New York StateWide Senior Action Council, Deputy Director
Myers testified on multiple aging and Medicaid issues. Requested restoration of $200,000 legislative add for Patients' Rights Helpline, expansion of Managed Care Consumer Assistance Program, and elimination of asset test for non-MAGI Medicaid applicants. Opposed nursing home aides administering medications and changes to assisted living oversight.
Name not provided (referred to as Ms. Finkel) advocate supportive
Not specified
Finkel advocated for county-specific data on aging services to ensure transparency and proper planning. She noted that Nassau County reduced home meal delivery from five days to four days per week due to budget constraints, and emphasized the importance of understanding barriers to service delivery.
Dede Hill advocate supportive
Schuyler Center for Analysis and Advocacy
Hill testified on behalf of the Schuyler Center, addressing childcare workforce issues and capacity expansion. She challenged the OCFS estimate of $140 million for the decoupling bill, arguing it overestimates the cost by assuming all part-time care recipients would transition to full-time care. She emphasized that childcare educators earn less than 96 percent of occupations in New York State and that the state has expanded childcare assistance eligibility but not capacity due to workforce shortages.
Perry Junjulas advocate supportive
Albany Damien Center, Executive Director
Junjulas, living with AIDS since 1995, testified on behalf of low-income persons with HIV who are homeless or unstably housed outside New York City. He detailed the lack of rental assistance access for HIV-positive individuals outside NYC and proposed specific legislative changes to the Aid to Localities language and Article VII legislation. He cited an OTDA fiscal analysis showing the proposal would cost $3 million in year one but generate $4 million in Medicaid savings, with savings exceeding costs by up to $13 million annually in subsequent years.
Ms. Sandoval Requena advocate supportive
Not specified
Testified that supportive housing for domestic violence survivors uses a combination of NYSSHP and ESSHI funding. Emphasized the need to not forget about existing underfunded programs and buildings that need capital improvements but cannot be addressed due to insufficient social service investment.
Marcella Goheen public opposed
Essential Care Visitor, Founder
Goheen testified as a family caregiver whose husband has been in a nursing home for eight years with a rare neurodegenerative disorder. Spent $30,000 annually on private caregivers before institutionalization. Founded essentialcarevisitor.com to help families advocate for institutionalized loved ones. Called for investment in aging population and person-centered care systems.
Shanita Bowen industry opposed
ECE On The Move, Chief Operating Officer; family childcare provider (16 years experience)
Bowen testified about the systemic underfunding of family childcare providers, describing how the faulty market rate system forces Black and brown women providers to work for minimal compensation while covering business expenses. She advocated for the true cost of care model and a permanent childcare workforce fund.
Jenn O'Connor advocate supportive
The Education Trust-New York (runs Raising NY Coalition)
O'Connor testified on behalf of the Raising NY Coalition, a diverse statewide coalition focused on improving outcomes for low-income infants and toddlers. She highlighted that while New York spends $23.9 billion on early childhood programs, only $5.26 billion goes to childcare, family support, and prevention. She advocated for childcare workforce investment, adoption of the decoupling bill, and increased funding for home visiting programs, particularly Parent-Child Plus.
MJ Okma advocate supportive
SAGE Advocacy Services for LGBTQ+ Elders, Senior Manager for Advocacy and Government Relations
Okma testified on behalf of SAGE, which serves LGBTQ+ elders and older New Yorkers living with HIV across New York State. He cited data showing 73% of New Yorkers living with HIV are estimated to be over 50 by 2030, and 17% of new HIV diagnoses last year were among those over 50. He requested funding renewals totaling $450,000 plus new funding of $150,000 for HIV aging services, and echoed Junjulas's call for correcting HIV housing assistance language. He also noted the Ending the Epidemic Legislative Committee's $10 million budget request, with $4 million allocated for a five-year HIV and aging services pilot.
Joan Gerhardt advocate supportive
New York State Coalition Against Domestic Violence
Testified on behalf of NYSCADV regarding the Governor's proposed funding to address domestic violence services in light of VOCA cuts. Highlighted the loss of federal VOCA funding and advocated for state funding, direct cash assistance to survivors, and inclusion of DV advocates in the Governor's proposed COLA. Noted that DV and sexual assault programs lost 1,200 employees between 2020-2021.
Ann Marie Cook advocate opposed
Lifespan of Greater Rochester, President and CEO
Cook testified on behalf of aging service providers, expressing disappointment with the Executive Budget's failure to meet older adult needs. Highlighted workforce shortages, elder abuse, poverty among older adults, and scams targeting seniors. Advocated for Long-Term Care Ombudsman funding and direct intervention programs for elder abuse.
Jessica Hsieh advocate supportive
Chinese-American Planning Council (CPC), Respite Coordinator
Hsieh testified about CPC's services to over 80,000 people annually and her personal journey from service recipient to provider. She highlighted wage disparities, noting human service workers earn 70 percent of what government employees make for the same role, and called for COLA increases, wage board legislation, and expanded home care funding.
Lori Rivenburgh advocate supportive
Town of Wallkill Boys & Girls Club / New York State Alliance of Boys & Girls Clubs
Rivenburgh testified on behalf of the New York State Alliance of Boys & Girls Clubs, representing 118 club sites serving 92,000 children annually. She highlighted that over 580,000 children in New York leave school with nowhere to go daily and advocated for continued funding of after-school programs. She expressed concern about the consolidation of the Advantage After School Program and Empire State After-School Program and urged timely release of the new RFP with fair and flexible terms.
Erin Brigid advocate supportive
Equality New York, Community Organizer
Brigid testified on behalf of Equality New York, representing over 120 organizations and 5,500 members. She cited UCLA Williams Institute data showing 5.5% of New York's population (approximately 853,000 people) identify as LGBTQI+. She highlighted the need for safer school environments for trans and nonbinary youth, improved health and legal services access, and requested $100,000 in funding: $75,000 for 12 cultural sensitivity training sessions and $25,000 for a Know Your Rights campaign.
Dr. Daniele Lyman-Torres advocate supportive
Bivona Child Advocacy Center
Testified on behalf of Bivona CAC in Rochester, serving a seven-county region. Highlighted the underfunding of child advocacy centers outside NYC, noting that Bivona serves over 60 percent of children seen in western New York but receives less than $270,000 annually despite a $4 million operating budget. Cited alarming statistics on child abuse and its long-term consequences, and requested funding increases to at least $10 million for CACs.
Meredith Chimento advocate supportive
Early Care & Learning Council, Executive Director
Chimento expressed gratitude for the first 20 percent contract increase for Childcare Resource and Referral agencies in 15 years. She requested $4.5 million annually for additional Infant Toddler Mental Health Consultants (12 in NYC, 14 in rest of state) and $1.5 million for seven equity officers to address racial disparities in suspensions and expulsions.
Stephanie Silkowski advocate supportive
The Bridge Project
Silkowski testified on behalf of The Bridge Project, a cash transfer program for expecting mothers with 1,200 participants across five boroughs and recently expanded to Rochester and Buffalo. She highlighted child poverty rates in New York State and advocated for passage of the MILC bill (Mothers and Infants Lasting Change Allowance), which would create a publicly administered cash-transfer program for low-income mothers during pregnancy and the first 18 months of a child's life.
Stephen Piasecki advocate supportive
Supportive Housing Network of New York, State Policy Manager
Piasecki testified on behalf of the Supportive Housing Network, a membership organization with 200 nonprofit members. He detailed the disparity between the legacy New York State Supportive Housing Program (NYSSHP) and the newer Empire State Supportive Housing Initiative (ESSHI). NYSSHP is funded as low as $2,700 per person per year versus ESSHI's $25,000 starting rate. Of NYSSHP's 20,000 units statewide (about half in NYC), 9,000 units have NYSSHP as the only services funding available, and 7,000 units lack rental assistance. He requested $32 million to begin a five-year conversion plan.
Krista Hesdorfer advocate supportive
Hunger Solutions New York
Testified on behalf of Hunger Solutions New York regarding SNAP outreach and nutrition assistance programs. Noted that SNAP serves 2.8 million New Yorkers and that the organization's NOEP program reached 163,000 New Yorkers last year. Requested restoration of $2 million in NOEP funding and advocated for universal school meals, noting that 320,000 students remain without free meals.
Steven Morales advocate opposed
All Our Kin, New York State Policy Director
Morales testified about family childcare as one of the most common childcare arrangements, with roughly 10,500 providers across the state serving over 140,000 children. He cited a New School study showing family childcare educators earn only $10.61 per hour and called for a permanent $1.2 billion Childcare Workers Fund.
Kate Ryan advocate supportive
Adirondack Birth to Three Alliance
Ryan testified on behalf of the Adirondack Birth to Three Alliance, a coalition of childcare providers, employers, and community organizations in the Adirondacks and North Country. She highlighted unique challenges in rural regions, including low population density and long travel distances to services. She advocated for childcare workforce investment, support for the decoupling bill, continued funding for childcare resource and referral agencies, and investment in QUALITYstarsNY.
Gabriela Sandoval Requena advocate supportive
New Destiny Housing, Director of Policy and Communications
Sandoval Requena testified on behalf of New Destiny Housing, which serves domestic violence survivors. She emphasized that one in three New Yorkers will experience intimate partner abuse in their lifetime. New Destiny opened its first NYSSHP building in 2008 and currently operates with service rates of less than $4,000 per family per year, compared to ESSHI's $25,000. She requested $32 million for a five-year phased approach to reach parity between programs, support for Senator Persaud's cash assistance legislation, and doubled flexible funding for domestic violence survivors to $10 million.
Gavin Walters advocate supportive
Hudson Valley National Center for Veteran Reintegration / Dwyer Program
Testified as a U.S. Air Force veteran and facilitator of the Dwyer Program in Ulster and Greene counties. Highlighted the program's success in preventing veteran suicides and the need for increased funding to address food insecurity, housing issues, and transportation barriers. Requested $2.1 million in additional funding, equating it to 10 years of inflation since the program's 2012 enactment. Emphasized peer-to-peer support as critical to veteran engagement.
Dede Hill advocate supportive
Schuyler Center for Analysis and Advocacy, Policy Director
Hill welcomed the Executive Budget's increased investments in childcare assistance but noted that expansions mean nothing if childcare programs lack capacity due to staff shortages from low wages. She called for permanent workforce funding, rate increases for family/friend/neighbor providers, and inclusion of the MILC pilot for infant cash transfers.
Reverend Paul Fleck advocate neutral
Immigration Law & Justice New York, Executive Director
Reverend Fleck testified on behalf of Immigration Law & Justice New York, located in Manhattan and Hicksville. He discussed the Covenant for Newest New Yorkers, rolled out by the Interfaith Center of New York and the New York State Council of Churches, which calls for providing shelter, affordable housing, stable education, and healthcare to all New Yorkers regardless of immigration status. He raised concerns about transparency and accountability regarding the $2.4 billion allocated in the budget for immigrant services and advocated for the Access to Representation Act, citing evidence that people with legal representation are 10 times more likely to win deportation cases.
Lauren Melodia academic supportive
Center for New York City Affairs, The New School, Economist
Melodia, an economist, testified on the childcare workforce crisis. She detailed how the market-rate voucher reimbursement methodology in New York's Child Care Assistance Program constrains provider wages. She cited data showing home-based providers earned a median $10.61 per hour in 2021 while NYC's minimum wage was $15, and that center-based childcare workers earned $5 less per hour than high school diploma holders earning $18.50. She requested legislation to develop an alternative cost-estimation methodology and expansion of the Workforce Compensation Fund with a permanent $12,500 wage subsidy per worker. She noted the state has $13.3 billion in budget reserves for economic uncertainties.

Senator Engagement (53)

Senator Engagement Stance Focus Areas Summary
Sen. Ashby skeptical departmental budget cuts staff augmentation since elevation to department status federal funding partnerships undisbursed funds to nursing homes and burial services Sen. Ashby directly challenged Commissioner DeCohen on the $2.4 million budget cut, questioning what programs would be cut and why the department hasn't seen budget augmentation despite elevation to department status in 2022. He pointed out the $3 million in neglected disbursements to veterans nursing homes and burial services over six years.
Sen. Ashby unclear Veterans nursing homes legislation Sen. Ashby was mentioned by Assemblyman Manktelow as having legislation regarding senior/veterans nursing homes but did not directly testify in the provided transcript.
Sen. Ashby supportive Peer-to-peer support programs in nursing homes Staff mental health programs Family caregiver support models Sen. Ashby asked targeted questions about peer-to-peer programs and staff mental health initiatives, showing interest in innovative support models. She appeared supportive of the family council and peer-support approaches described by witnesses.
Sen. Brisport skeptical Childcare market-rate compensation True cost of care for childcare providers Universal childcare funding through progressive taxation Childcare affordability and workforce participation Decoupling work hours from childcare eligibility Sen. Brisport pressed Commissioner Miles-Gustave on why the budget still does not compensate providers for the true cost of care, citing an ILR Buffalo study. He advocated for universal childcare funded by taxing millionaires and billionaires, and questioned why the Governor's budget did not address the decoupling bill she had previously vetoed.
Sen. Brisport skeptical Childcare $7 billion investment tracking and spending Differential payment rates for childcare providers Workforce retention grants and spending challenges Cost of care vs. market rates for childcare Sen. Brisport asked pointed questions about childcare funding implementation, specifically challenging the pace of $7 billion spending and requesting detailed breakdowns. He questioned why workforce retention grant estimates were overestimated and whether remaining funds should have been distributed to workers rather than rolled over.
Sen. Brisport supportive Childcare workforce stabilization grants Reimbursement rates for childcare Permanent childcare workforce funding Market rate adequacy Sen. Brisport asked detailed questions about stabilization grants and reimbursement rates, demonstrating strong support for childcare workforce investments. He appeared to be a key advocate for permanent funding solutions.
Sen. Brisport skeptical Decoupling bill cost estimates Childcare workforce wages Impact of childcare crisis on different populations Childcare capacity disparities across counties Sen. Brisport asked pointed questions about the OCFS estimate of $140 million for the decoupling bill, noting that press articles called the number unrealistic. He also inquired about wage impacts on childcare educators and how the crisis affects different populations, signaling concern about equity and cost accuracy.
Sen. Brouk skeptical Anti-poverty funding amount for Rochester Relationship between AIM funding and violence rates Sustained funding mechanisms Concentrated poverty effects on youth outcomes Sen. Brouk, representing Rochester, expressed concern that the $25 million allocation was insufficient compared to Buffalo's needs and questioned how one-year funding could address concentrated poverty. She highlighted the correlation between chronic underfunding and violence rates.
Sen. Cleare skeptical Anti-poverty funding exclusion of other high-poverty areas (South Central Brooklyn, South Bronx, Harlem) After-school program funding COLA increases for nonprofit human services workers Sen. Cleare questioned why other poverty-stricken areas were excluded from anti-poverty funding and urged a more global approach. She raised concerns about nonprofit worker compensation and requested written responses on COLA language.
Sen. Cleare skeptical LTCOP funding and cuts home care wage disparities waiting lists for non-Medicaid services NYC funding allocation for aging services Master Plan on Aging implementation area agencies on aging deficits Sen. Cleare asked pointed questions about budget discrepancies, funding gaps, and program cuts. He challenged Director Olsen on the $44 million budget increase claim, questioned why LTCOP was being cut despite 88% of facilities not receiving weekly visits, and pressed on the $51 million needed to address waiting lists and $10 million deficit for area agencies on aging.
Sen. Cleare skeptical Senior housing affordability Dental care expansion Funding mechanisms for aging services Federal versus state funding Sen. Cleare asked pointed questions about housing affordability for seniors, dental care access, and whether state funding was being supplanted by federal dollars. Expressed concern about adequacy of appropriations and pressed Director Olsen on funding mechanisms.
Sen. Cleare skeptical Aging services waitlist (16,000 people) Long-term Care Ombudsman Program funding Data transparency and county-specific reporting Service delivery barriers Sen. Cleare pressed for clarification on waitlist numbers and requested county-specific data rather than aggregate figures. He sought to understand barriers to service delivery and appeared concerned about lack of transparency in budget implementation.
Sen. Cleare supportive Geographic scope of services Rising HIV rates in aging community Education and testing for HIV prevention Value of childcare and elder care work Sen. Cleare asked clarifying questions about service geographic scope, expressed alarm about rising HIV rates in the aging community, and requested information on funding priorities for HIV education and testing. She also made a passionate statement about the undervalued nature of childcare and elder care work, emphasizing the intrinsic value of caring for children and seniors.
Sen. Cleare supportive childcare wage floors supportive housing veteran services registry child advocacy center services outside NYC Sen. Cleare expressed agreement with testimony on childcare wage issues and asked clarifying questions about veteran services registry and child advocacy center services. Indicated willingness to work with service providers to ensure resources reach communities.
Sen. Cordell Cleare unclear Aging services Cleare, Chair of the Senate Committee on Aging, was present but did not ask questions during the testimony excerpt provided.
Sen. Jabari Brisport skeptical Childcare workforce wages Childcare provider shortage Long-term wage solutions vs. one-time bonuses Brisport questioned whether the budget adequately addresses the underlying childcare crisis, noting that childcare slots are up less than 3% from pandemic lows and that childcare workers earn less than 96% of occupations in New York. He pressed Miles-Gustave on why the budget relies on temporary bonuses rather than permanent wage increases.
Sen. Jessica Scarcella-Spanton unclear Veterans affairs Scarcella-Spanton, Chair of the Senate Committee on Veterans, Homeland Security and Military Affairs, was introduced during the hearing but did not ask questions in the transcript excerpt.
Sen. John C. Liu unclear Liu was listed as present but did not ask questions during the testimony excerpt provided.
Sen. Krueger neutral Illegal cannabis dispensaries and product safety Fentanyl contamination in cannabis products Chairwoman Krueger interjected during Assemblywoman Davila's testimony to clarify that fentanyl-laced products are coming from illegal dispensaries, not licensed legal stores, reinforcing the importance of the legal cannabis market for product safety.
Sen. Krueger skeptical HRA benefit eligibility approval rates New York Times article on declining approval rates Administrative cost funding for local DSS agencies Timeliness of benefit processing Chair Krueger raised concerns about declining benefit approval rates in New York City and questioned whether adequate administrative funding to local DSS agencies could improve performance. She cited a New York Times article documenting poor approval rates.
Sen. Krueger supportive Raise the Age effectiveness and juvenile crime trends Long Term Care Ombudsman program funding Elder Justice Coordinating Council Loneliness and isolation initiatives Chair Krueger demonstrated strong support for Raise the Age program, noting effectiveness in NYC and decreased juvenile crime. She advocated for continued investment in aging services and elder justice initiatives, and championed the Ambassador to Loneliness program.
Sen. Krueger neutral hearing management As chair, Sen. Krueger managed the hearing flow, introduced speakers, and cut off extended questioning between Sen. Ashby and Commissioner DeCohen.
Sen. Krueger supportive Workforce development for older New Yorkers and veterans State job opportunities for older workers SOFA funding distribution to New York City Waitlists for in-home services, case management, and home meals Aging services funding and priorities Chair Krueger engaged extensively with both commissioners, asking substantive questions about workforce development, funding equity for NYC, and service waitlists. She expressed support for both agencies' work and requested detailed data on county-by-county waitlists and funding distribution.
Sen. Krueger neutral Chairing the hearing Managing testimony time Sen. Krueger chaired the hearing and managed the flow of testimony, ensuring speakers adhered to time limits and maintaining order.
Sen. Krueger supportive Justice Center oversight of nursing homes Long-term care quality and oversight Childcare workforce funding Chairwoman Krueger actively engaged throughout the hearing, asking substantive questions about nursing home oversight and exploring whether the Justice Center should oversee long-term care facilities. She demonstrated support for expanded services and workforce investments.
Sen. Krueger neutral Hearing logistics Panel management As chair, Sen. Krueger managed the hearing logistics and panel transitions. She made one substantive intervention to ensure all panelists had opportunity to respond to questions.
Sen. Krueger supportive Supportive housing program funding disparities Multiple contract categories and payment differences NYSSHP vs ESSHI reimbursement rates Need for clarity on supportive housing universe Chairwoman Krueger demonstrated deep engagement with supportive housing issues, requesting detailed charts showing the different categories of supportive housing contracts and payment disparities. She expressed frustration with the complexity of managing multiple contracts and emphasized the need for better understanding of the full landscape before negotiating for improved supportive housing.
Sen. Krueger supportive Human services budget Hearing facilitation and leadership Sen. Krueger chaired the hearing and demonstrated leadership in managing the session. She welcomed colleague participation and scheduled follow-up education budget hearing.
Sen. Liu supportive After-school program expansion Program mergers and cost savings Statewide expansion of after-school services Sen. Liu questioned Commissioner Miles-Gustave about the merger of Advantage and Empire after-school programs and whether savings could fund expansion. He emphasized that 34,000 students served is insufficient and called for broader statewide expansion.
Sen. Liz Krueger neutral Hearing administration Committee coordination Krueger served as co-chair of the hearing and managed Senate participation, introducing senators and coordinating questioning procedures. She enforced time limits and procedural rules.
Sen. May supportive SNAP minimum benefit supplement Double Up Food Bucks program Anti-poverty funding distribution in Rochester, Syracuse, Buffalo Implementation timeline and fund distribution speed Sen. May asked detailed questions about implementing a $100 SNAP minimum benefit and praised the Governor's anti-poverty initiative. She focused on practical implementation details and ensuring rapid fund distribution to address child poverty in her district.
Sen. May neutral Long-Term Care Ombudsman Program professionalization volunteer vs. FTE staffing Reimagining Long-Term Care Task Force implementation Sen. May followed up on LTCOP questions, seeking clarification on the percentage of visits made by volunteers versus FTEs and whether the program is moving in the right direction. She also inquired about the status of the Reimagining Long-Term Care Task Force and whether an extender is needed.
Sen. May supportive Long-Term Care Ombudsman program progress SNAP benefit increases Medicare Savings Program participation Sen. May asked follow-up questions about LTCOP progress, carries bill to raise minimum SNAP benefit from $23 to $100, and inquired about Medicare Savings Program participation rates and data matching needs.
Sen. Murray supportive Business community collaboration on childcare Employer-supported childcare programs Childcare facility regulations and red tape Voucher system flexibility for childcare selection Sen. Murray expressed appreciation for the commissioners' work and the Governor's openness to solutions. She asked about business partnerships and regulatory streamlining for childcare, signaling support for the administration's approach.
Sen. Murray supportive Child Victims Act impact on child welfare agencies Liability insurance crisis Labor Law 191 lawsuits Article VII language protecting against private right of action Sen. Murray expressed strong concern about the existential threat posed by CVA settlements and Labor Law 191 lawsuits to child welfare agencies. He advocated for maintaining Article VII language that prevents private right of action and warned that without protection, agencies could lose the ability to provide services. He cited potential damages in the $30 million range.
Sen. Murray supportive Childcare worker training and certification Career pathways in early childhood education Wage increases and workforce retention Sen. Murray engaged with Lauren Melodia on the question of whether additional training and certification programs at community colleges could justify higher wages for childcare workers. Melodia responded that training already exists but wages don't meet expectations, and that a comprehensive workforce career ladder with wage increases is needed.
Sen. Murray supportive domestic violence survivor housing pet-friendly domestic violence shelters universal school meals Sen. Murray asked about innovative housing solutions for DV survivors and pet accommodations in shelters, expressing strong support for universal school meals. Indicated appreciation for the work of service providers.
Sen. O'Mara neutral After-school program RFP timeline Status of 2024 program awards and provider notifications Contract closure procedures Out-of-school time programs for older youth Program eligibility for migrants Sen. O'Mara asked detailed procedural questions about after-school program implementation, RFP timelines, and contract management. He also inquired about program availability for migrants in relation to the $2.4 billion migrant crisis allocation.
Sen. O'Mara supportive New York State Veterans Cemetery operations PTSD treatment and the Research and Recognition Project Federal funding leverage for veterans programs Sen. O'Mara thanked the Commissioner for attending events at Sampson Veterans Cemetery and advocated for the Research and Recognition Project (RTM protocol) for PTSD treatment. He requested the department prioritize referrals to trained counselors and explore federal funding opportunities.
Sen. Persaud skeptical Public assistance application processing backlogs and denials Fiscal cliff task force and benefit cliffs Year-round youth employment program funding and expansion Summer Youth Employment Program expansion Sen. Persaud questioned Commissioner Guinn about rising denials despite reduced backlogs in NYC, requesting data on duplicate applications. She advocated for a fiscal cliff task force to understand benefit cliff issues and pressed for expanded year-round youth employment funding beyond the current 2,500-youth capacity.
Sen. Persaud supportive After-school program consolidation and student impact SNAP benefits increases and indexing Public Assistance benefits increases Cost-of-living adjustments (COLA) for human services workers Sen. Persaud advocated for broader SNAP and Public Assistance increases, noting that Public Assistance has not been increased in many years. She pushed for COLA across all human services populations and requested detailed data on after-school program consolidation impacts.
Sen. Persaud supportive Income disregards SNAP benefits increases Inflation adjustment for benefits School Meals for All Summer EBT Sen. Persaud expressed strong support for income disregard policies and advocated for increased SNAP benefits and inflation adjustments. He thanked testifiers for their support and encouraged continued advocacy for removing policy barriers for poor New Yorkers. He introduced S8374 and other benefit expansion proposals.
Sen. Persaud supportive immigration legal services catchment areas veteran funding domestic violence services child advocacy center funding and inclusion in decision-making SNAP outreach funding Sen. Persaud asked detailed questions about service catchment areas, expressed commitment to fighting for veteran and DV funding, and emphasized the importance of including service providers in budget allocation decisions. Indicated she is carrying the NOEP funding letter.
Sen. Peter Oberacker unclear Oberacker was introduced as present but did not ask questions during the testimony excerpt provided.
Sen. Rachel May unclear May was introduced as present but did not ask questions during the testimony excerpt provided.
Sen. Rolison supportive Child Care Resource and Referral (CCR&R) funding increases Business planning support for childcare providers Family childcare networks Reimbursement based on enrollment vs. attendance Federal pandemic funding exhaustion Sen. Rolison raised concerns about CCR&R funding stagnation over 10 years and lack of business planning support for providers. She expressed support for the family childcare networks proposal and questioned the enrollment-based reimbursement model, which Commissioner Miles-Gustave clarified now allows up to 80 absences statewide.
Sen. Rolison supportive Elder Justice Coordinating Council Elder abuse prevention and enforcement Coordination between law enforcement and aging services Sen. Rolison, a former police officer, asked detailed questions about the Elder Justice Coordinating Council's timeline and structure, seeking assurance that ground-level professionals would inform policy recommendations. Director Olsen's responses appeared to satisfy her concerns.
Sen. Roxanne Persaud neutral Social Services oversight Persaud, Chair of the Senate Committee on Social Services, was present and participated in the hearing but did not ask questions during the transcript excerpt provided.
Sen. Scarcella-Spanton supportive undisbursed tax checkoff funds cemetery maintenance funding homeless veterans assistance funding emergency housing program details mobile service vans veteran enrollment and outreach Sen. Scarcella-Spanton expressed appreciation for DVS work while pressing for details on how to disburse $3.4 million in undisbursed tax checkoff funds, particularly $1.5 million for cemetery maintenance and $1.4 million for homeless veterans assistance. He praised the mobile service vans and sought clarification on the emergency housing program rollout.
Sen. Scarcella-Spanton supportive Veterans resource registry Connecting veterans and families to services Website accessibility for veterans programs Sen. Scarcella-Spanton advocated for a comprehensive veterans resource registry and better service connection mechanisms. Drew on personal experience with her husband's military transition to highlight gaps in resource accessibility. Requested cost estimate for implementing registry.
Sen. Scarcella-Spanton supportive Dwyer Program funding veteran services inflation adjustments military family support Sen. Scarcella-Spanton, identified as Senate chair of Veterans Affairs, engaged extensively with Gavin Walters on Dwyer Program funding needs and committed to putting in a letter on behalf of the program. Emphasized the importance of veteran peer support and indicated strong support for the program.
Sen. Stec opposed Budget cuts to veterans programs Comparison of veterans funding to NYC immigrant services funding Legislative adds that were zeroed out Homeless veterans housing funding Sen. Stec was highly confrontational, questioning why 18 legislative adds totaling $3.4 million were zeroed out and comparing proposed veterans funding unfavorably to $2.4 billion for NYC immigrant services. He expressed disappointment in the new DVS department, asking 'What game is this that we're playing?'
Sen. Weik skeptical Dwyer Program funding Capital improvement funding for American Legions and VFWs Veterans' services in Nassau and Suffolk counties Income tax revenue allocation to veterans Sen. Weik challenged the Commissioner's characterization of budget changes, stating 'it's still a cut' and expressing frustration that veterans have been 'neglected and underfunded for a very long time.' He demanded increased Dwyer funding and stated 'we're not going to accept no for an answer.'